From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: quotation marks [was Re: TUTORIAL.de updated] Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 00:35:23 +0900 Message-ID: <87ehur698k.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <20120118.161204.348826368.wl@gnu.org> <20248.15413.907023.894588@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> <4x1uqv4pbx.fsf_-_@fencepost.gnu.org> <056566D61BA5441E860782777E736F44@us.oracle.com> <4F18A26A.1020402@cs.ucla.edu> <20120120074922.GA3095@acm.acm> <4F1929BA.7020004@cs.ucla.edu> <838vl24thl.fsf@gnu.org> <4F19E7FC.40301@cs.ucla.edu> <83zkdh2zfz.fsf@gnu.org> <4F1BC64D.7080906@cs.ucla.edu> <87k44k5bb0.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <4F1BEAF7.8010003@cs.ucla.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1327246542 12652 80.91.229.12 (22 Jan 2012 15:35:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 15:35:42 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rms@gnu.org, ulm@gentoo.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, Alan Mackenzie , Eli Zaretskii , drew.adams@oracle.com To: Paul Eggert Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jan 22 16:35:36 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RozSA-0006F6-Dq for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 22 Jan 2012 16:35:34 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42379 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RozS9-00006m-Ia for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 22 Jan 2012 10:35:33 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:52996) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RozS7-00006S-74 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 Jan 2012 10:35:32 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RozS6-00018x-9r for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 Jan 2012 10:35:31 -0500 Original-Received: from mgmt2.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp ([130.158.97.224]:34291) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RozS3-00018W-0p; Sun, 22 Jan 2012 10:35:27 -0500 Original-Received: from uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.99.156]) by mgmt2.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D12AB97075E; Mon, 23 Jan 2012 00:35:23 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9F1061A32C6; Mon, 23 Jan 2012 00:35:23 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: <4F1BEAF7.8010003@cs.ucla.edu> X-Mailer: VM undefined under 21.5 (beta31) "ginger" e6b5c49f9e13 XEmacs Lucid (x86_64-unknown-linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 130.158.97.224 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:147837 Archived-At: Paul Eggert writes: > On 01/22/2012 01:36 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > > I don't have it on either my Gentoo system or my Debian(!) system > > It's from a Debian package, introduced in lenny (Debian GNU/Linux 5.0), > which was released about three years ago. Here's a URL: > > http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/console-setup Well, the system was installed as stable in early 2007 and since upgraded to testing (currently wheezy, plus some mission-critical stuff from sid that I'm willing to baby-sit because it's mission critical). But that package is not installed on my system, which is a common and up-to-date distribution. It's possible that new installs would always have it, but I suspect Emacs users are more likely to have ancient repeatedly updated systems than the average user. > If you don't have setupcon, you can try this recipe instead, It's not about me, OK? If I want it, I doubt it would take me more than half an hour to figure it out; I've been embedded in the world's most complex linguistic environment (at least as far as computer use goes) for 20 years, and was a recognized expert on the subject of internationalization of GNU/Linux systems a decade ago, though I've slipped quite a bit since then (obviously!) I don't really have an objection to using directed quotes in Emacs, as long as all the syntax tables and various things are set up correctly before public release (and I would not be surprised to find out that set up takes a while to shake down) -- at worst it should be annoying, not work-stopping. But I'd be willing to bet it's going to cause annoyance to more than the three Emacs developers using the Linux console if you start on it right now.