From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Thierry Volpiatto Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: patch vs. overwrite in bzr Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2012 10:35:34 +0200 Message-ID: <87ehs3sxm1.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87k42cwys8.fsf@gnu.org> <87limhuldm.fsf@gnu.org> <871uo7g4j6.fsf@gnu.org> <87iphjhbm8.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87398lgrat.fsf_-_@niu.edu> <871uo5c7r0.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87pqbpj5j3.fsf@altern.org> <87aa2szgig.fsf@gnu.org> <87ehs4yrhz.fsf@gnu.org> <87vclg804u.fsf@gmx.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1333528570 25467 80.91.229.3 (4 Apr 2012 08:36:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 08:36:10 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Apr 04 10:36:09 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SFLhC-000708-Vm for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 04 Apr 2012 10:36:03 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53929 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SFLhC-0004io-Ah for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 04 Apr 2012 04:36:02 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:54456) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SFLh5-0004iQ-9a for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Apr 2012 04:36:00 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SFLgy-0005x3-4B for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Apr 2012 04:35:54 -0400 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:51632) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SFLgx-0005wc-TY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Apr 2012 04:35:48 -0400 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SFLgv-0006ln-6i for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Apr 2012 10:35:45 +0200 Original-Received: from lbe83-2-78-243-104-167.fbx.proxad.net ([78.243.104.167]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 04 Apr 2012 10:35:45 +0200 Original-Received: from thierry.volpiatto by lbe83-2-78-243-104-167.fbx.proxad.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 04 Apr 2012 10:35:45 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 31 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: lbe83-2-78-243-104-167.fbx.proxad.net User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.95 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:IBnWxMePJ2KtvuzPqbd2xiEiYnY= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:149366 Archived-At: Michael Albinus writes: > Bastien writes: > >>> I may have replied elsewhere. The way I see it, Org should be taken out >>> of `trunk' and instead the Emacs release should include a set of ELPA >>> packages (including Org). >> >> IMHO this move would just send a signal to Emacs devs "do not try to >> fix this, it's just an ELPA package" -- which does not so good to me. > > I share the same fear that a package residing in the elpa branch could > be regarded as second class citizen. OTOH, being an elpa package would > require from us (external) package maintainers shorter freeze windows, > before a new Emacs release is shipped. New Tramp features are stalled > from being synced since June. A similar freeze period was before > releasing Emacs 23. > > And in the Emacs 22 case, the freeze was for about 3 years, if I'm not > totally wrong. But maybe I'm just a too pedantic German, following every > freeze policy ... I never understood why Emacs have not a developing branch to continue developing new features during the feature freeze. I think Emacs lost a lot a new features during this process, especially from contributors that send patches; most patches are lost or are unusable after several months of modifications in trunk. -- Thierry Get my Gnupg key: gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 59F29997