From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Yann Hodique Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Date: Sat, 05 May 2012 17:48:18 +0200 Message-ID: <87ehqy7hod.fsf@gmail.com> References: <871umzrvfw.fsf@gmail.com> <87wr4rqg6g.fsf@gmail.com> <83d36j59gv.fsf@gnu.org> <87r4uz58e3.fsf@sec.modprobe.de> <83aa1n57p4.fsf@gnu.org> <5D17181ED92C4552AE8D4404DD035CA0@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-=-=" X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1336232926 28134 80.91.229.3 (5 May 2012 15:48:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 15:48:46 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat May 05 17:48:46 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SQhDv-0002xE-Jx for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 05 May 2012 17:48:43 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55687 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SQhDv-00084r-1B for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 05 May 2012 11:48:43 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:49024) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SQhDr-00084a-H6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 05 May 2012 11:48:41 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SQhDp-0005cJ-If for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 05 May 2012 11:48:39 -0400 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:54758) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SQhDp-0005Zp-77 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 05 May 2012 11:48:37 -0400 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SQhDj-0002pB-2q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 05 May 2012 17:48:31 +0200 Original-Received: from aannecy-552-1-251-25.w90-4.abo.wanadoo.fr ([90.4.163.25]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 05 May 2012 17:48:31 +0200 Original-Received: from yann.hodique by aannecy-552-1-251-25.w90-4.abo.wanadoo.fr with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 05 May 2012 17:48:31 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 76 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: aannecy-552-1-251-25.w90-4.abo.wanadoo.fr User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.1.50 (gnu/linux) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAJ1BMVEUEBgMUFBEnIR07MStT QjlvWkyEbl2ccWaVe2mpi3qxj3bDoIz+//wlCgCYAAACWUlEQVQ4EQXBQXIVVRQA0HNvGPNvJ45J 98epQhIdK6ALsNyA63EPLsEtWFQ5FlLFVDodHVr8fh0dQj/PSQAAgAQAAEgAGG4mEKoSAKyGgerV WgIIxKBoWkgAh2GwRmwjqkuAyPNpsNYh0UQCVMXFNA3DVCNVPQFy+PH6qxfD0CJCaxKgIr97+er5 2u56VyUBhouxb49evZjqSNsiAdrBEu2/r6/H+6L3BITMQdX556+UEAmo0nvheP3DpFdPwOAqCvrZ TbBFAnHgMiCclRjGBOLhAmBzpM4T6Mfr8w3othGJc+J63AuwX+qn94kr8sgJQNNa4jSaWNdf30At 9w1JXhzHYoirT7fwpDNI8ubm6TlWw4r+184aSX/08urKsa+vpyv++eWPFT0Jj4JlOv4UXX/d17eU 5BNTa2MeLfppev6i2CT9dqcW8njb3np32+iSmpM2whft2cPoDJL2D2D/eHF/64mgKvFhsZvJsw/d ZdautpboP9+GxKd3z+JwcNK6hLkF+L0P9e+73lRI6F0H4qkvd7ZeCYzgG/PdaBW9WgLLwjzfXX7Y vL+rbosExb6vYluet7ulqd4TMLZFU/Xbx1NTm0ro3HN1mudhX060Q7WEmE5jrfk03ebdAlsl+LuW bpm+NY19URWHLSHGsbdZm4fH86nQVQLn+5ytnR2tc9O2h23NKtR0ue7z3v+cTwt1eaghI4ZhaDn1 u97Wpc2Ndt9aS8TAxXn/8P5Nv1uJDFUZnMba43pa53UN9H2vLjufPX/IiJtjnZYJojqp9zEek2c3 399MhRAR/gfpVBU4QWr2iwAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== Cancel-Lock: sha1:0B5MdLPFxw3OvY0dDyqp8rnEwTw= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:150289 Archived-At: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain >>>>> "Drew" == Drew Adams writes: > Bzzzzt - wrong question. The question is NOT why we don't extend or > generalize it to other Emacs email paraphernalia besides Gnus. > The question is why we send this crap at all in plain-text messages? > That such markup might be useful within Org mode or Gnus or even Emacs > generally is no reason to expose it in plain-text mail. > We discourage the use of HTML messages in GNU mailing lists. But then > Gnus/Org/Emacs goes and rolls its own simulacrum? And then everyone > who is not using Emacs for mail has the obligatory privilege of seeing > the markup? Although the comparison with HTML is probably not that fair, I do agree that it's bad email practice. More importantly, I'm wondering how it would not be better to leverage the existing RFC1341 that any decent mailer should implement. I mean, doing something like this (in gnus mml markup) <#multipart type=alternative> <#part type="text/plain" disposition=inline> (defun plop () nil) <#/part> <#part type="application/emacs-lisp" disposition=inline> (defun plop () nil) <#/part> <#/multipart> that should be rendered as nicely depending on the mailer capabilities. Like, with lisp fontification in Emacs (Gnus at least), and in pure-text style in Gmail for example --=-=-= Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="==-=-=" --==-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline (defun plop () nil) --==-=-= Content-Type: application/emacs-lisp Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable (defun plop () nil) --==-=-=-- --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain So maybe gnus should just make it easier to compose such multipart messages, and potentially define missing mime types if need be ? Unless that message is broken in some widely used mailer, that is :) Yann. -- We say of Muad'dib that he has gone on a journey into that land where we walk without footprints. -- Preamble to the Qizarate Creed --=-=-=--