From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: please review bug #13141 Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 11:39:46 +0900 Message-ID: <87ehhf5kel.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <415AF94149E240B7BCB28128E45D3135@us.oracle.com> <20130119232015.GA517@acm.acm> <87obgk5npd.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1358735998 11808 80.91.229.3 (21 Jan 2013 02:39:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 02:39:58 +0000 (UTC) Cc: acm@muc.de, 13141@debbugs.gnu.org, drew.adams@oracle.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jan 21 03:40:16 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Tx7J2-00062s-DN for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 03:40:16 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60266 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Tx7Il-000546-FR for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 21:39:59 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:55318) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Tx7Ii-00053q-6H for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 21:39:57 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Tx7Ig-00068f-Ua for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 21:39:56 -0500 Original-Received: from mgmt2.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp ([130.158.97.224]:43914) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Tx7Ig-00065f-LW; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 21:39:54 -0500 Original-Received: from uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.99.156]) by mgmt2.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 398F59708D7; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 11:39:47 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id F3DBA1A3537; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 11:39:46 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: VM undefined under 21.5 (beta32) "habanero" b0d40183ac79 XEmacs Lucid (x86_64-unknown-linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 130.158.97.224 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:156525 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > I've had at least half a dozen cases > where users deleted automatically added information which I then > requested -- to no avail, since the reporters never responded. > > To go out of their way to delete it makes me wonder why. Maybe it was > a valid reason. Could it be that there was something private in that > information which they specifically did not want to send? Some of it, yes, such as the keystroke log. The list of shadowed libraries would only very rarely be considered sensitive. (For example, if the user had modified a corporate internal library and was shadowing it in her load-path.) The cases of deletion I'm referring to were done with a chainsaw rather than a scalpel. I've always assumed the motive was a misguided attempt to either localize the information to what they user thought was a bug or to save bandwidth, but you could be right: they were worried about the possibility of sensitive information leaking, and chose to deal with the issue brutally. > Because of this consideration it would not be right to hide that > information. We should not try to trick our users into sending us > something they did not want to send. Agreed. I withdraw the suggestion of appending the information after the user hits "send". Of course attaching it via MIME etc would be not be the default (my phrasing is at fault here, I was writing from the point of view of appeasing Drew and Fuqiao).