From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Bastien Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Google Summer of Code - some ideas Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2013 19:25:12 +0200 Message-ID: <87ehe3iyo7.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1366565119 15021 80.91.229.3 (21 Apr 2013 17:25:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2013 17:25:19 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Emacs development discussions To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Aur=E9lien?= Aptel Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Apr 21 19:25:21 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UTy0u-0005K6-7u for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 21 Apr 2013 19:25:20 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38614 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UTy0t-0007Am-Oz for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 21 Apr 2013 13:25:19 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:58857) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UTy0q-0007Ah-95 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Apr 2013 13:25:17 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UTy0p-0004Nl-9T for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Apr 2013 13:25:16 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-we0-x236.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c03::236]:51330) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UTy0p-0004Nh-3A for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Apr 2013 13:25:15 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-we0-f182.google.com with SMTP id m1so5483530wea.13 for ; Sun, 21 Apr 2013 10:25:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:sender:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references :user-agent:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=57vCEr+GlA2m+i/WPL+nOdBVAilZ2cxdGkSZI8u1HfU=; b=PfUHS7mGB0dLiLVGJb1AWNVMyT3DzpwRPnOi660vxmGn6Y4YHrpA/SUxkcaJ+Z7K8n zb0DgLQBKS921wYReNhoD9lmomdfUU44mVibVfmGvooXtKj0oLw1jLHbS3cA/XmrP5RE MLayTEf9AjZGZuOv7wLOYoz+PaBZKn4hsQ+W/TjQYN9gx3CTxoYIp58YExg8VFTqx7eA /s5c+IYVPHhgeVLQl94WRNeAAz5q6gZfaoQDG4kgVWxDBw7ZAYuGtoV35ekrp8jGnpuM we12KVkGRxn48+8hni5usB6rA0Rjz/mxh4JWdUrvDwCkBSPrtLVQvjWhSQjfmrh823sh v2kw== X-Received: by 10.180.208.47 with SMTP id mb15mr59211618wic.16.1366565114364; Sun, 21 Apr 2013 10:25:14 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from bzg.localdomain (mar75-2-81-56-68-112.fbx.proxad.net. [81.56.68.112]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g9sm16934878wix.1.2013.04.21.10.25.12 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 21 Apr 2013 10:25:13 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by bzg.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1000) id BEFC01C205FC; Sun, 21 Apr 2013 19:25:12 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Aur=E9lien?= Aptel"'s message of "Sun, 21 Apr 2013 19:16:47 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.130006 (Ma Gnus v0.6) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c03::236 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:159083 Archived-At: Hi Aurélien, Aurélien Aptel writes: > On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 6:46 PM, Aurélien Aptel > wrote: >> So, If an emacs hacker is interested in mentoring any of these >> projects please manifest yourself :) ! > > I should mention some things : > - being a mentor does not take too much time (GSoC FAQ says 5 hours a > week is a reasonable estimate). Well, depends. I was a not-so-good mentor last year because I had two students to take care of (including you), and I think it does take time to be a good one. There is always this temptation to say "Well, you're a grown up, just make progress and report blockages. But I don't think it is very effective -- I least I think we lost of lot of your precious time and energy last year but relying to much on this. > - a project can have multiple mentors (less work for each !) ... if they are well organized enough :) > - I'll be asking most of my questions to the mailling list or the > irc channel That's very good. When we switched to this way of working last year I think it was more effective. > As far as I know, anyone sufficiently involved in Emacs can mentor. > You basically have to review my progress, give some advice when I'm > stuck and check up on me if I don't give any news in a long time. Let me insist on this: this is soft-mentoring and can work, but I think "deep" mentoring would much more worth--both for you and for the project. > If you're still interested head to the GSoC webpage where you can > register (you need a google account I think) > > http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/homepage/google/gsoc2013 Another thing: one point about GSoC is to "recruit" new contributors for the project. I was happy with your contributions, but slightly disappointed that you did not involve more into Org's community after it was done: finishing the redmine sync, promoting your library, etc. It's fine, because obviously there is no obligation here, and maybe I was a bit naive about this -- I had this picture that finally we'll work as a close team with all those new GSoC students (3 just for Org!) Anyway, again, each mentor will have his expectation and I was faulty of not having time enough for you. And I'm sure you'll contribute with great code and ideas, so I'd be happy to see you step onboard again. -- Bastien