From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jambunathan K Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Notes mode Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 10:47:48 +0530 Message-ID: <87eh9aa16r.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87y73qsrl2.fsf@stupidchicken.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1377926153 32289 80.91.229.3 (31 Aug 2013 05:15:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 05:15:53 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Chong Yidong , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Klaus Zeitler Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Aug 31 07:15:53 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VFdXL-0006qv-Fq for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 07:15:51 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53349 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VFdXL-0001SS-0k for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 01:15:51 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:53020) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VFdXF-0001SK-84 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 01:15:49 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VFdXA-0001SB-Ul for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 01:15:45 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-pa0-x22c.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400e:c03::22c]:41221) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VFdXA-0001S0-NE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 01:15:40 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-pa0-f44.google.com with SMTP id fz6so3128095pac.3 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 22:15:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=3LFWM6c/G+aPlYL++5xd7KySx6hYZQsZE/6+uzntkCw=; b=gJZ2HsbhNozSj8gHRcDpHZw8N1Eo+nXnzVva+t0evmYgQuLSPWyhWYczKnq+6h71p+ 6dGAreASsbUEoteVLLy5s6Dzo55v9o3WKzJmsZuL/Ve178db2HAoEQ8TOJOiHr5hmkaP bWgEoTAK1BpvL3zktiVlROJiFjgO76t0K0fefCqIZdBabqUMjdtM0eKK23dV5d6jWfFZ lp++/mg7rT9rOujsCp1nH/owcxhAHs0oThs+8FHSRes7mdX0waVijTImU4Y2vYOAhS0b hZOl11GdyDspo1of7eaQdA9eKwjrlI/HO9EGeIPKWCjBvqEwW3PRRaz7MtqylOg15qgk 8k8g== X-Received: by 10.66.229.106 with SMTP id sp10mr14651231pac.117.1377926139563; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 22:15:39 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from porunai ([101.63.191.18]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id oj6sm2095585pab.9.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 30 Aug 2013 22:15:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: (Klaus Zeitler's message of "Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:51:44 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400e:c03::22c X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:163107 Archived-At: Chong Yidong writes: > So if somebody has tried notes-mode, please share your thoughts. Ok, for the benefit of a modern user who is familiar with Oddmuse - It is much similar to "Blogging with Categories" [1] The basic idea is this: 1. User creates a single journal file for each day. 2. Basic workflow is file and forget (for today or someday) A journal entry for a single date can have different topics emacs, perl etc adhoc notes, emacs, perl etc.) all in the SAME file. Each topic goes in to an outline entry. [2] 3. One can "collect" entries on a given topic but from different dates in to a single buffer. This would give a subject based journal. [3] ---------------------------------------------------------------- [1] http://www.oddmuse.org/wiki/Blogging_With_Categories [2] The essential difference with Oddmuse is in this part. With Oddmuse one generates 3 Journal pages for 3 topics, but with notes mode one creates a /single/ Journal file for all 3 topics. [3] Think of Oddmuse's Webpage for that Category. Klaus Zeitler writes: > I've been using notes-mode since 1998. I use it at work and at home for all > sorts of things I want to keep track. Sort of external memory :-). > It's one of the 2 packages I always install with emacs (the other one is bbdb). > Very stable and also really easy to use. Select a descriptive subject and > scribble a note, that's it. Also has encryption (I use it for my > passwords). I am really surprised to hear a long-time (upwards of decades) user of a not so well-known and (the then unbundled) package. [4] > Over the years my index list has grown quite a bit and about the only feature > I miss is some sort of 2 level indexing, i.e. group subjects together and > collapse/expand them in the index file. As a few hours user, I would say, do away with perl dependencies and instead rely on etags for building the backlinks. Programmers, will at once be home with it. > Unfortunately I don't know anything about org-mode and planner. So I can't > compare. The Org mode uses single file (or few files) to rule the world. Org-mode is for systematic and monolithic note-taking and note-making (Think dissertations or books) The notes-mode or wiki view is essentially a large collection of small files. AFAIK, the existing Org-mode has no facility to "collect" /outline content/ from a /given/ heading from multiple files in to a single buffer. [5] Bottomline: ----------- Use Org-mode: If you want to build (by design). Use notes-mode or wikis: If you want to grow. Use Org-mode: For document production or strict time-driven workflow. Use whatever: If you (perceive) time as an infinite resource and believe in seasons of the moon. ---------------------------------------------------------------- [5] I came across todo-mode recently. [5] It does collect TODO entries (just the headings not the contents) in to an agenda buffer. > HTH > > Klaus