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From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@xemacs.org>
To: Glenn Morris <rgm@gnu.org>
Cc: Andy Moreton <andrewjmoreton@gmail.com>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Trunk r117046 fails on systems with older automake
Date: Wed, 07 May 2014 11:00:26 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87eh06jqkl.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <c3r446314g.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org>

Glenn Morris writes:

 > I interpret this to mean that your aclocal is broken

It's not *his* aclocal, as several people have reported the same
behavior.  It's unlikely that all of these users have made the same
unfortunate change, instead it's likely that the various upstreams are
experiencing a coordination failure.

The responsibility for such coordination lies with Emacs in the end,
not with the users.

 > You need to get it working somehow, and then teach it where the
 > pkg.m4 file that pkg-config provides is installed, if it cannot
 > figure it out itself.

Oh, the irony of it all! given that autoconf and friends are supposed
to do that figuring out, and do it *portably*.[1]

More specifically, from a quick look at configure.ac, it is clear that
program does not consider pkg-config to be a hard requirement of Emacs
(and INSTALL doesn't say so, although INSTALL.REPO does).  ISTM that
configure should test for a working pkg-config, and warn the user
about breakage at that point (preferably with useful advice for a
remedy).  Blowing up in the middle of a test for an unrelated feature
that happens to use pkg-config is not user-friendly.

A review of configure (trunk updated from bzr today, I assume bzr is
still current?) suggests that Emacs should be buildable with no
pkg-config at all, you'll just be missing a pile of features.

Patches welcome, I know.  Sorry, not high on my priority list.


Footnotes: 
[1]  That's the excuse for the whole insanely complicated mess!




  reply	other threads:[~2014-05-07  2:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-05-04 12:01 Trunk r117046 fails on systems with older automake Andy Moreton
2014-05-04 16:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-05-04 18:02   ` Glenn Morris
2014-05-04 18:15     ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-05-04 23:01       ` Glenn Morris
2014-05-05  6:10         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-05-05  7:00           ` Paul Eggert
2014-05-04 19:28   ` Juanma Barranquero
2014-05-04 19:39     ` Andreas Schwab
2014-05-04 19:51       ` Juanma Barranquero
2014-05-04 20:28         ` Paul Eggert
2014-05-05  6:04           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-05-04 21:15         ` Andreas Schwab
2014-05-05 19:08           ` Andy Moreton
2014-05-06 19:47             ` Glenn Morris
2014-05-06 23:53               ` Andy Moreton
2014-05-07  0:04                 ` Glenn Morris
2014-05-07  2:00                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull [this message]
2014-05-07  2:14                     ` Paul Eggert
2014-05-07  2:58                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-05-07  4:00                         ` Paul Eggert
2014-05-07 15:03                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-05-08  0:05                             ` Andy Moreton
2014-05-08  2:47                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-05-08  8:00                                 ` Andy Moreton
2014-05-08 15:05                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-05-08 15:14                                     ` Andy Moreton
2014-05-08 15:44                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-05-07  9:42                       ` Andy Moreton
2014-05-07 10:13                         ` martin rudalics
2014-05-07 15:17                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-05-07 15:45                             ` martin rudalics
2014-05-07 15:58                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-05-07 15:14                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-05-07  2:57                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-05-07  4:48                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-05-07 15:05                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-05-07 19:40                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-05-08  2:54                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-05-07  6:41                     ` Glenn Morris
2014-05-07  7:38                       ` David Kastrup
2014-05-07  1:03                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2014-05-07  2:55                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-05-07 11:33                     ` Óscar Fuentes
2014-05-07 15:18                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-05-07 15:38                         ` Óscar Fuentes
2014-05-07 15:55                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-05-07 16:06                             ` Óscar Fuentes
2014-05-07  2:53                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-05-07 14:51                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2014-05-07 15:32                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-05-07 17:18                       ` Juanma Barranquero
2014-05-07 18:10                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-05-08  0:25                         ` Andy Moreton
2014-05-05  6:01         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-05-05  5:54     ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-05-05  7:29       ` martin rudalics
2014-05-05  9:03         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-05-05  9:25           ` martin rudalics
2014-05-05  9:58             ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-05-05 12:29               ` martin rudalics
2014-05-05 13:15                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-05-05 13:26                   ` martin rudalics
2014-05-05 13:50                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-05-05  6:13     ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-05-04 17:55 ` Glenn Morris
2014-05-05 22:17   ` Andy Moreton
2014-05-06 20:30     ` Glenn Morris
2014-05-07  6:36       ` Jarek Czekalski
2014-05-07  6:42         ` Glenn Morris
2014-05-07  6:52           ` Jarek Czekalski

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