From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Mark H Weaver Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs Lisp's future Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2014 11:03:51 -0400 Message-ID: <87eguili20.fsf@yeeloong.lan> References: <54193A70.9020901@member.fsf.org> <87d2ahm3nw.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <871tqneyvl.fsf@netris.org> <87d2a54t1m.fsf@yeeloong.lan> <83lhotme1e.fsf@gnu.org> <871tql17uw.fsf@yeeloong.lan> <838uktm9gw.fsf@gnu.org> <87h9zgarvp.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87mw97rjwm.fsf@yeeloong.lan> <8761fvn8io.fsf@yeeloong.lan> <87egujahw6.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87wq8bd8w2.fsf@netris.org> <87y4sr909s.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87ppe3lbkr.fsf@yeeloong.lan> <87oatn8dqz.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1412780725 3693 80.91.229.3 (8 Oct 2014 15:05:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2014 15:05:25 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Richard Stallman , Andreas Schwab , dmantipov@yandex.ru, emacs-devel@gnu.org, handa@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, Eli Zaretskii , stephen@xemacs.org To: David Kastrup Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Oct 08 17:05:16 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Xbsnf-0000Jl-Ny for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2014 17:05:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36744 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xbsnf-0003nQ-55 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2014 11:05:11 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:51623) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XbsnL-0003nI-BZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2014 11:04:56 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XbsnF-0004pW-Vo for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2014 11:04:51 -0400 Original-Received: from world.peace.net ([96.39.62.75]:60009) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xbsn4-0004kx-NV; Wed, 08 Oct 2014 11:04:34 -0400 Original-Received: from c-24-62-95-23.hsd1.ma.comcast.net ([24.62.95.23] helo=yeeloong.lan) by world.peace.net with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Xbsmm-0002Vd-AU; Wed, 08 Oct 2014 11:04:16 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87oatn8dqz.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (David Kastrup's message of "Wed, 08 Oct 2014 05:03:00 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.94 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 96.39.62.75 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:175138 Archived-At: David Kastrup writes: > Mark H Weaver writes: > >> David Kastrup writes: >>> You cannot successfully cater for clueless application programmers. >> >> It is not "clueless" to expect a UTF-8 encoder to produce valid UTF-8. > > We are not talking about "producing" but "reproducing" here. I stand by my statement above, regardless of what input is feed into the UTF-8 encoder, and I think I've said enough to make my point. You are immovable, as always, and I don't want to waste any more time on this. You can add this to your long list of reasons why you consider me a bad maintainer for Guile. Mark