From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Network security manager Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2014 18:31:26 -0500 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <87egt0f5m9.fsf@lifelogs.com> References: <87sihg7r73.fsf@alrua-karlstad.karlstad.toke.dk> <87a93oilxl.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87oas4h555.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87a93oh180.fsf@lifelogs.com> <83h9xw9zg3.fsf@gnu.org> <83d28k9yb9.fsf@gnu.org> <83vbmc8c9e.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1416353514 18704 80.91.229.3 (18 Nov 2014 23:31:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2014 23:31:54 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Nov 19 00:31:44 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XqsFH-0005jf-1E for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2014 00:31:39 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55911 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XqsFG-0007Ue-IL for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 18 Nov 2014 18:31:38 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:39193) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XqsEy-0007TU-Uu for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Nov 2014 18:31:26 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XqsEt-0003wD-0u for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Nov 2014 18:31:20 -0500 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:59828) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XqsEs-0003w5-Rd for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Nov 2014 18:31:14 -0500 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XqsEr-0005ZO-4G for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2014 00:31:13 +0100 Original-Received: from c-98-229-61-72.hsd1.ma.comcast.net ([98.229.61.72]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2014 00:31:13 +0100 Original-Received: from tzz by c-98-229-61-72.hsd1.ma.comcast.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2014 00:31:13 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Lines: 34 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: c-98-229-61-72.hsd1.ma.comcast.net X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.130012 (Ma Gnus v0.12) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:5VAExOYZkA20+0EwOjG4te8ZtXI= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:177695 Archived-At: On Wed, 19 Nov 2014 00:02:58 +0100 Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen wrote: LMI> So the user interface problem remains. We don't want to suddenly start LMI> asking people stuff while they're doing other stuff, but here we kinda LMI> need to ask them stuff... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infobar is the UI element most web browsers use today. We don't have it in Emacs AFAIK. http://www.w3.org/TR/wsc-ui/#indicators and http://www.w3.org/TR/wsc-ui/#Robustness are the W3C recommendations on this topic. To summarize (but please please please read the document, it's quite good): * show identity signal in a consistent visual position where web content can't obscure it * make the identity signal human-readable * let the user access the extra information like site owner and source of trust; optionally expose even more * have a distinct TLS indicator * warning, caution, and danger messages should interrupt the user's task (if in the foreground) As I said, there is much more in the document. Of course, Emacs is not just a web browser, so we must adapt rather than blindly adopt these guidelines, but I hope we don't ignore them. Should I make a list of concrete recommendations for EWW and Emacs in general based on that document? Ted