From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: proposal: require GnuTLS 3.1.x (previous stable) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 16:18:26 -0500 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <87egsp8xul.fsf@lifelogs.com> References: <87389762xj.fsf_-_@lifelogs.com> <87h9xnqfdl.fsf@violet.siamics.net> <87mw7eaz2w.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87oartaoq7.fsf@lifelogs.com> Reply-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1417036709 15420 80.91.229.3 (26 Nov 2014 21:18:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 21:18:29 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Nov 26 22:18:23 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Xtjyg-0000Rh-1H for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 22:18:22 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36090 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xtjyf-0000r8-JV for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 16:18:21 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:37392) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XtjyN-0000qx-1y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 16:18:07 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XtjyI-0001M3-7M for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 16:18:03 -0500 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:60003) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XtjyI-0001Lt-06 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 16:17:58 -0500 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XtjyF-0000Fq-Tt for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 22:17:55 +0100 Original-Received: from c-98-229-61-72.hsd1.ma.comcast.net ([98.229.61.72]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 22:17:55 +0100 Original-Received: from tzz by c-98-229-61-72.hsd1.ma.comcast.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 22:17:55 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Lines: 23 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: c-98-229-61-72.hsd1.ma.comcast.net X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.130012 (Ma Gnus v0.12) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:H26IoXWsrYFTDW/I6geKwIc7q/U= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:178326 Archived-At: On Wed, 26 Nov 2014 11:52:32 -0500 Ted Zlatanov wrote: TZ> On Wed, 26 Nov 2014 10:42:37 -0500 Stefan Monnier wrote: SM> We usually consider it OK to drop support for things that are "older SM> than Debian stable" or thereabout. But usually it depends a lot on the SM> cost of maintaining this backward compatibility. In this case, the cost SM> seems to be very reasonable, so I see no reason to drop support for SM> GnuTLS2 at this stage. Those tradeoffs change over time, so by Emacs-26 SM> it's quite likely that we'll get rid of GnuTLS2 support, indeed. TZ> OK, so let's reevaluate then. For now we'll continue supporting the 2.x TZ> versions we do now. It would be extremely helpful to have an easy way TZ> to test Emacs compilation and functionality with ERT, perhaps in a TZ> Vagrantfile or in Hydra or Travis or whatever. FWIW, I just got a note about this on gnutls-devel that strongly suggests supporting GnuTLS 3.x only: http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.encryption.gpg.gnutls.devel/7811 I don't know if it changes anyone's mind :) Ted