From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: phillip.lord@newcastle.ac.uk (Phillip Lord) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Metaproblem, part 3 Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 10:56:17 +0000 Message-ID: <87egseqsa6.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> References: <20141203142859.24393.98673@vcs.savannah.gnu.org> <20141203193110.GF12748@thyrsus.com> <20141203215426.GA15791@thyrsus.com> <87ppbzplcw.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> <83iohr48kr.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1417777021 14761 80.91.229.3 (5 Dec 2014 10:57:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 10:57:01 +0000 (UTC) Cc: esr@thyrsus.com, =?utf-8?B?Sm/Do28gVMOhdm9yYQ==?= , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Dec 05 11:56:53 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XwqZA-0002lL-SZ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 11:56:53 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49724 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XwqZA-0005d4-IR for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 05:56:52 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:58743) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XwqYn-0005YG-QN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 05:56:33 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XwqYj-0006w9-Fw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 05:56:29 -0500 Original-Received: from cheviot22.ncl.ac.uk ([128.240.234.22]:60958) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XwqYe-0006sr-Ts; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 05:56:21 -0500 Original-Received: from smtpauth-vm.ncl.ac.uk ([10.8.233.129] helo=smtpauth.ncl.ac.uk) by cheviot22.ncl.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1XwqYc-0004Fv-EQ; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 10:56:18 +0000 Original-Received: from jangai.ncl.ac.uk ([10.66.67.223] helo=localhost) by smtpauth.ncl.ac.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1XwqYc-0000Lf-8t; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 10:56:18 +0000 In-Reply-To: <83iohr48kr.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Thu, 4 Dec 2014 19:40:36 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 128.240.234.22 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:178900 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: joaotavora@gmail.com (Jo=C3=A3o T=C3=A1vora) >> Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 14:32:23 +0000 >> Cc: esr@thyrsus.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org >>=20 >> phillip.lord@newcastle.ac.uk (Phillip Lord) writes: >>=20 >> > Cheesy as it sounds, perhaps, what is needed is "mentors". So, someone >> > wants to fix something or change something about Emacs, they get a sho= rt >> > term mentor to help them through the process (both at a code level, and >> > at a rules of community level). So, the first piece of advice in >> > contribute wouldn't be "do this, do that", it would be "think of a >> > problem, ask for a mentor". >>=20 >> +1 to this. In every software project I've worked on, some form of >> mentorship has proven essential in every first-time >> contribution. Including projects that I started, and including Emacs >> (thanks Stefan!). > > I also think that we have mentoring here, so I don't understand what > exactly is this gripe about. People ask questions, both here and on > bug-gnu-emacs, and get helpful answers and guidance even when the > questions are only tangentially related to Emacs (or even not at > all). What exactly is missing? I've gone back and read what I wrote. I can't see where it is a gripe. It seems to me to be a positive suggestion. I understand that you do not see the problem, but then you've been committing to Emacs for ages, so it's clear that it's not a problem you have. Phil