From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs Mac port Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 11:43:33 +0100 Message-ID: <87ege5bkmi.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> References: <27810E5E-27B3-4AA5-9A6B-F3137D6F8506@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1451385820 28884 80.91.229.3 (29 Dec 2015 10:43:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 10:43:40 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel To: Jean-Christophe Helary Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 29 11:43:40 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aDrkh-0005RQ-Pv for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 11:43:39 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47955 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aDrkh-0002gd-7B for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 05:43:39 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:37234) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aDrke-0002gT-MK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 05:43:37 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aDrkd-00028l-Jn for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 05:43:36 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:52512) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aDrkc-00028O-9Q; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 05:43:34 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48941 helo=lola) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aDrkb-0000Ny-RI; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 05:43:34 -0500 Original-Received: by lola (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 63B32DF49F; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 11:43:33 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: <27810E5E-27B3-4AA5-9A6B-F3137D6F8506@gmail.com> (Jean-Christophe Helary's message of "Tue, 29 Dec 2015 18:40:29 +0900") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:197076 Archived-At: Jean-Christophe Helary writes: >> On Dec 29, 2015, at 15:47, Richard Stallman wrote: >>=20 >>> many friends >>> of mine who were long-time GNU/Linux users work on OS X today, me >>> included >>=20 >> Thus our stance is that a person who moves from GNU/Linux to MacOS is >> being self-destructively foolish. We take this seriously and we must >> speak and act in accord with it. This way, we can influence some >> people. > > My personal opinion is that people do not switch to MacOS but rather > to Apple machines which are typically better built than standard Intel > based machines. It is the robustness of the hardware that appeals to > most users, not the OS. Shrug. Linus Torvalds at one time used a Macbook Air for his development IIRC, but obviously not running MacOS=A0X on it. So his personal freedom was not hampered much more than with other typical hardware choices. It still lends financial support to a powerful company who is rather firmly invested against the goals of the GNU project for one thing and a number of issues concerning freedom and computing for another. > To have more people switch to a GNU/Linux system, you would have to > find a maker that builds high quality machines for a price similar to > what Apple offers (which is in all likeliness not possible) and offers > similar flawless integration between the OS and the machine (which is > possible). Shrug. To have more people switch to a GNU/Linux system, you need to make them care about software freedom. Locking people into their choices results in money and power, both of which can partly be reinvested to sweeten the deal. It's the "Open Source movement" which thinks it can "win" on those terms. But you don't "fight" an empire by waiting until it self-destructs before starting recruitment. We will not beat Apple at their game. We can just offer a good way forward for those willing to quit Apple's game. And what we can offer these days requires much less determination to choose than it did at one time. But there will always be a personal cost to stop running with the herd as long as the herd is not going straight off a cliff. --=20 David Kastrup