From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Thien-Thi Nguyen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: A problem with old bugs Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2017 11:26:32 +0100 Message-ID: <87efyhcmxz.fsf@zigzag.favinet> References: <87r32h9zj4.fsf@jane> Reply-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1488364050 28785 195.159.176.226 (1 Mar 2017 10:27:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2017 10:27:30 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: Emacs Devel Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Mar 01 11:27:25 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cj1Tc-0006h9-V4 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 01 Mar 2017 11:27:21 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45500 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cj1Ti-00042K-Vp for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 01 Mar 2017 05:27:27 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:57225) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cj1T9-00041y-1X for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 01 Mar 2017 05:26:52 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cj1T5-0000hT-U0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 01 Mar 2017 05:26:51 -0500 Original-Received: from mail.agora-net.com ([67.59.132.6]:58039) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cj1T5-0000gA-Om for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 01 Mar 2017 05:26:47 -0500 Original-Received: from ttn by mail.agora-net.com with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1cj1T1-0001Hx-VD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 01 Mar 2017 05:26:44 -0500 Original-Received: from ttn by zigzag.favinet with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1cj1TB-00009O-M4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 01 Mar 2017 11:26:53 +0100 Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org In-Reply-To: <87r32h9zj4.fsf@jane> (Marcin Borkowski's message of "Wed, 01 Mar 2017 09:22:55 +0100") X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: ttn@gnuvola.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on mail.agora-net.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 67.59.132.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:212676 Archived-At: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable () Marcin Borkowski () Wed, 01 Mar 2017 09:22:55 +0100 Unfortunately, I have to say that I got very little feedback. [...] I do understand the main reason (too few developers, the bugs were not critical), but I have to say that the situation isn't exactly motivating for me. Is there anything that could be done to avoid turning off people wanting to help with Emacs development? Did I choose wrong bugs to work on? If so, should I close them as "wontfix", even though (in 2 cases) there are actual patches that seem to fix them? Do you have write privs to the repo? If so, perhaps you can find motivation from installing changes directly and dealing w/ any discussion that ensues, rather than From=20positive feedback in discussion pre-commit. This is the vaunted "better to ask forgiveness than ask permission" model. Of course, it's not always so much fun discussing one's mistakes in public but (take it from someone w/ lots of experience making mistakes :-D), it does get easier w/ practice. Sez Perlis: Dealing with failure is easy: Work hard to improve. Success is also easy to handle: You've solved the wrong problem. Work hard to improve. I take from this: Satisfaction (and thus motivation to continue) comes from the hard work applied towards improvement. What to improve? Emacs, yourself, Emacs and yourself, Emacs and others. If not (no write privs), why not? What are you waiting for? =2D-=20 Thien-Thi Nguyen ----------------------------------------------- (defun responsep (query) (pcase (context query) (`(technical ,ml) (correctp ml)) ...)) 748E A0E8 1CB8 A748 9BFA =2D-------------------------------------- 6CE4 6703 2224 4C80 7502 --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAli2odwACgkQZwMiJEyAdQLCXwCdF/6v8/JefB1SnlmZs5MRl1gz zMsAoJbkdvMHaJ20XKiaatdCLGgPoG8s =KFnT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--