From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Print representation of records and hash tables Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 12:12:09 -0500 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <87efnz7tw6.fsf@lifelogs.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1513098746 1691 195.159.176.226 (12 Dec 2017 17:12:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 17:12:26 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 12 18:12:23 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eOo6R-0000GQ-0G for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 18:12:23 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59618 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eOo6Y-0002I4-7e for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 12:12:30 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:48720) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eOo6Q-0002Hz-Rr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 12:12:23 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eOo6M-0003C6-4T for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 12:12:22 -0500 Original-Received: from [195.159.176.226] (port=49207 helo=blaine.gmane.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eOo6L-0003BV-Td for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 12:12:18 -0500 Original-Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eOo6C-00081e-Pf for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 18:12:08 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Lines: 13 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" Mail-Copies-To: never Cancel-Lock: sha1:PIjwiJGaK1v4vzItbkUhWweadSo= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 195.159.176.226 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:220933 Archived-At: On Tue, 12 Dec 2017 10:21:53 -0500 Stefan Monnier wrote: >> Yes, it's confusing, and I'm very much against it. Interpretation of ELisp >> code (even compiled code) now changes in a very subtle manner depending on >> whether a record named `hash-table` happens to be defined or not. SM> Similarly, interpretation of Elisp code can change in a very subtle SM> manner if someone does (fset 'apply (lambda ...)). OK, but the read behavior is more broken. Right now records have basicall taken over all #s Ted