From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Po Lu Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Making Emacs more friendly to newcomers Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 06:50:26 +0800 Message-ID: <87eesj9jkd.fsf@yahoo.com> References: <863691n4xl.wl-me@enzu.ru> <87imhw431x.fsf@yahoo.com> <87mu78huhx.fsf_-_@yahoo.com> <87k12bdgx7.fsf@yahoo.com> <83v9lvionr.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="101940"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: me@enzu.ru, joseph.h.garvin@gmail.com, rms@gnu.org, stefan@marxist.se, emacs-devel@gnu.org, pcr910303@icloud.com, drew.adams@oracle.com, ndame@protonmail.com To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Apr 20 00:51:27 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jQImc-000QQZ-WC for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 20 Apr 2020 00:51:27 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48422 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jQImb-0003kB-TA for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 19 Apr 2020 18:51:25 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:41982 helo=eggs1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jQIlo-0003Ds-Nz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Apr 2020 18:50:37 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs1p.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jQIln-0007wd-09 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Apr 2020 18:50:35 -0400 Original-Received: from sonic313-9.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com ([66.163.185.32]:41692) by eggs1p.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jQIlm-0007pH-6y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Apr 2020 18:50:34 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1587336633; bh=+matjZG14neYmb0MJmx7NG6HkIo4bC/pEBucYCgNzYs=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From:Subject; b=uJj/FNymwEgiV6dl9T6G89a3pyxeO+r26NA+jWfMSur2gEOFBxedW+KT4orPdNEdhQNBuq9V4yciY+/z2cL60gND7pHhunseQR6ekUR/L6FHpe12ZJBcuSZtAmr9BNy5ReMgjbTD+lDxIqal+aB8OOJJaQFGMhdxEWxjV0yxol9Mb7CYf/G/Og//2NY7T9qXddyyHBcO+1FrgRAAHHwLKn5zbFmxcQlFN6HMKs3fj3CAikhHm0AAqQXflFaI6SUJi1YdXJXZgCuoKjlXjc71KgShPv4txPd4Xx5Aj3Au2Y91JtNiHmRZl5zFRfzeKU3RV2YGYYvdmdOW9MV7tESskg== X-YMail-OSG: wmIasa0VM1n0ZAkDBrH4U_jEFDvqh8VTvoruIE6iiWncU4jRTpPZQ0CkRPR5.8U Jd.oWHdsCbknniuhpXdVUwBrnwAURmUfAJPTIaemtkP8_71qRkKvLKDDLndBHpzzNwUI0BCcMKbw sE5eGaqd_.1oyuyiBD7l0bfLT5E8sKO5FKBxzekL23HSSjyczU27LZmUjSRQUB05nZDMP00L0ZTH wEpQkuuXhkN8LZT0spGgwyKFDR0O7pEweEqVyb4fXP0eCs1Uh_IsAzOkSZwsUV5MApVP_ehHHtto ciNlqd0D5pAw6c85YQrI23SyYL7P8ArD3cgzMqfj1c8Wioe6G03eAEEbYao6ZYLoz5I5ReDEO_Mv Gny4lLcrC_aELG4nZjKjyOdpXo8Wrq27pgtpEIDPP0PdiL7fUI6sxbURjGx5Sdzaf5imI4k2IkO9 E0afkgQYN1hZnE01VgXEFFwncSJuRNXoVyaKKZTMAM4UyDVtW3zg07NgKmVq8bTJZ7Z11UMCNNbx 5iIYu_y0s1i7gtAhwBtuy33apBH0uMKW5vPbnOaC5_REeDtx_y8AOGbKwCtMI8eyDUhTiXe4VjeF RVbtpfoUDtBwtujyapjeZZxqFJB_hwiNfo1nVLgea1kVwLRgXej3GI88sg8fmI21qey1rLoYOJtI sUVQC7ngKeGhr_bmVgt.HS_6z1GrDc9FjSYf1fdHGCZYF2c7qx2SEPw0Uw_K_MrrXYLb4msDiHud 2HZJkiAlSRuRd3NTuQCRH5yp0GgV4qdWrdG30WArrQ15i2CL8imQf4tL6.uzPrg9B3zivBjM8Ovj JJJlgFERF5HAY8lPA3xXWMrc7BKsYWCLWVKWO.YkQV Original-Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic313.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with HTTP; Sun, 19 Apr 2020 22:50:33 +0000 Original-Received: by smtp414.mail.sg3.yahoo.com (VZM Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 504296655cdbb07d0e833cb04cb8edd8; Sun, 19 Apr 2020 22:50:29 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <83v9lvionr.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sun, 19 Apr 2020 16:35:36 +0300") X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.15651 hermes Apache-HttpAsyncClient/4.1.4 (Java/11.0.6) Received-SPF: pass client-ip=66.163.185.32; envelope-from=luangruo@yahoo.com; helo=sonic313-9.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs1p.gnu.org: Linux 3.1-3.10 X-Received-From: 66.163.185.32 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:247331 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > Nothing. The only problem is to decide what will that button > activate. I think you will find that opinions vary widely about that. Well, for starters things like CUA mode, maybe a hypothetical `gtk' theme, and other things like that. But that will likely require a lot of debate yes. > P.S. And why does every message from you get sent twice to each > addressee? I'm not sure, I'll look into it. Sorry!