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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:252735 gmane.comp.statistics.pspp.devel:7588 Archived-At: Hello, On Mon 06 Jul 2020 at 09:38AM +03, Dmitry Alexandrov wrote: > Sean Whitton wrote: >> On Mon 06 Jul 2020 at 08:53AM +03, Dmitry Alexandrov wrote: >>> Sean Whitton wrote: >>>> On Sun 05 Jul 2020 at 08:35PM +02, John Darrington wrote: >>>>> Sure. But from a user's perspective I don't see the advantage in tha= t. I mean what is the difference between typing "apt-get install pspp-mode= " and "M-x package-install 'pspp-mode" ? >>>> >>>> From the perspective of those of us working on packaging Emacs addons = in Debian, significant advantages are >>>> >>>> 1) the way addons work doesn't change within a Debian stable release, = just like Emacs itself doesn't change within a Debian stable release >>>> >>>> 2) addons get installed using Debian's mechanisms for a secure softwar= e supply chain, rather than relying on https alone. >>> >>> 3) they are automatically available to #!/usr/bin/emacs --script scri= pts; and pollute stderr at every run: > >> This only happens with old style addons. Once we have finished migratin= g all addons in the archive to our newer tooling you won't see this. > > The first part of the advantage will be still valid, though, right? That= is, they are prepended to =E2=80=98load-path=E2=80=99 even with -q / --bat= ch / --script, while package.el-managed packages do not. Actually, they are added to package-directory-alist and then package-initialize adds them to the load-path. --=20 Sean Whitton