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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:256675 Archived-At: Dmitry Gutov writes: > On 28.09.2020 06:45, Richard Stallman wrote: >> > Here's a simple example: >> > >> https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2020-09/msg00842.html >> Referring to messages that way is inconvenient for me. The message >> is >> in my saved mail, but I cannot find it with that info. Would you >> please send message IDs instead? I can search for that. > > Too bad. Perhaps the generated HTML should include something unique in > the urls to help refer to. Not sure what, though. You can't easily > read a website. My email client can't search by message ID. FWIW, public-inbox includes message IDs both in URLs and among the headers displayed on the page[1]. See for example: https://orgmode.org/list/E1kIPh1-0001Lu-Rg@fencepost.gnu.org/ For lists.gnu.org archives, in case that helps anyone, here is what I use to automate the "MHonArc URL =E2=86=92 message ID" translation: #+begin_src elisp (defun mhonarc-to-messageid (url) "Retrieve the Message-ID from an article archived on MHonArc." (interactive (list (let* ((default (or (thing-at-point-url-at-point) (and (derived-mode-p 'eww-mode) (shr-url-at-point nil)))) (prompt (if default (format "URL? (%s) " default) "URL? "))) (read-string prompt nil nil default)))) (with-current-buffer (url-retrieve-synchronously url) (search-forward-regexp "^$") (message (xml-substitute-numeric-entities (match-string 1))))) #+end_src (Requires being online, of course.) [1] Among other nice qualities (comes with an NNTP server, can display all messages in a thread on a single HTML page, licensed under the AGPL). Sales pitch over at: https://public-inbox.org/public-inbox.git/about/