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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:273754 Archived-At: Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > Eli Zaretskii writes: > >> Opt-in changes are an effective way of dealing with such resistance. >> They cannot be easily vetoed. > > We have previously discussed extending the concept of a "theme", which > is currently basically just visual. I think the way forward here is to > allow people to create opinionated views on how Emacs should work (from > keystrokes on up to basically... anything), and include these in Emacs. Conversely, themes could also be used to reset changes. You could have an Emacs-21, Emacs-27, XEmacs theme bundled by default, allowing people to reset the defaults to whatever they are used to. > New users, when starting Emacs, would then be able to choose between, > say, five of these mega-themes on the start-up screen by just clicking > them. -- Philip Kaludercic