From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Po Lu Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Why not set Emacs development workflow based on the popular git forges (GitHub, Bitbucket, Gitlab, ect)? 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:273866 Archived-At: Hongyi Zhao writes: > If so, I don't think there is such a complete free platform in the > world, even the SourceHut you mentioned below, which is also operated, > at least in part, as a commercial product. OTOH, Linux kernel [1] has > already adopted GitHub as its development platform, which is also > complete free and a classic example of successful free software. When GNU software refers to "free", it is inevitably used to mean "freedom". In this case, it means the ability of a user to use a network service without running proprietary software. Furthermore, there is also the requirement that the flagship program of the GNU project, naturally, must be hosted on a GNU project server, which requires that the software running the service must itself be free software. > I can't say anything. Almost all Emacs developers and users are > excellent programmers/scientists/engineers. But excellent people also > have their own beliefs, quirks and their inner bottom line. Sometimes > it may not be consistent with the prevailing trend, just like the > existence of Emacs itself. But Emacs doesn't exist to be consistent with a prevailing trend. It exists to better the GNU system. > Technically speaking, I think there are so many guys in Emacs > community have enough ability to do this. There undoubtedly are, but none of them have stepped up to do the work. Plus, things are cozy as they stand. > [1] https://github.com/torvalds/linux Does that count as full adoption? If so, so does this: https://github.com/emacs-mirror/emacs Cheers!