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[83.132.177.247]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id z17sm2839888wml.24.2021.09.21.06.50.06 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Tue, 21 Sep 2021 06:50:07 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87lf3qrr9f.fsf@posteo.net> (Philip Kaludercic's message of "Tue, 21 Sep 2021 13:29:32 +0000") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::433; envelope-from=joaotavora@gmail.com; helo=mail-wr1-x433.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:275237 Archived-At: Philip Kaludercic writes: > Jo=C3=A3o T=C3=A1vora writes: > >> Eli Zaretskii writes: >> >>>> I think this uncleanliness is a bit risky. Better put the definitions >>>> in their own namespace. I don't think "transparent compatibility" is >>>> worth the trouble here, and I don't think `s`, `f`, ... solve the >>>> same problem. >>> >>> Can symbol-renaming help here, perhaps? I believe Jo=C3=A3o is trying = to >>> get it ready in time for Emacs 28. >> >> Confirmed. I am working on the documentation and hope to provide >> "hygienic", drop-in versions of those very `s.el`, `f.el` libraries. I >> agree with Stefan that those libraries don't seem to be solving the same >> problem of forward-compatibility, though (at least how I've understood >> it, which may very well be "not at all"). > > Where can I find the code/examples on how this would look like? See my reply in the side thread. Thanks. Jo=C3=A3o