From: Uwe Brauer <oub@mat.ucm.es>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: Uwe Brauer <oub@mat.ucm.es>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: could matlab-mode be in ELPA or the GNU emacs tree (like auctex and org-mode)?
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2021 09:51:24 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87ee79sxgz.fsf@mat.ucm.es> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 834k85sy0s.fsf@gnu.org
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>>> "EZ" == Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>> From: Uwe Brauer <oub@mat.ucm.es>
>> Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2021 09:32:10 +0100
>>
>> 1. You can use your favorite editor for writing code.
> The Matlab code editor is IMNSHO vastly superior, as it has code
> completion, links to the Matlab documentation, etc. Emacs can at best
> be a dumb text editor in this regard.
I disagree with the use of the term vastly superior: we have code completion and
you can use the matlab-shell to access the matlab documentation if you
desire. I can also use my favorite editor as the swiss knife it is to
write my code, I have tried the matlab editor in several occasion and
find it superior. Here is a simple example.
I have to check a lot of matlab files students present in an exam, so I
have to read the code execute parts of it, write comments, use the spell
checker, access my email etc etc in that process, and I don't have to
use an external editor, that is different from emacs to do this. Heck
even at mathworks there are, I think hundreds of users (or at least a
dozen that use emacs for hacking and not the internal editor).
It seems that you are acquainted with matlab, why don't you give
matlab-mode a try?
>> 2. Matlab-mode has a specific syntax support (like auctex does) that
>> concerns keyword expansion, fontification and these sorts of things.
> That could be easily merged into Octave mode, I think. the syntax is
> similar, right?
Yes, but since matlab contains more commands, it supports, logically,
more
>> 3. It has a function matlab-shell that does allow you execute
>> code, either the whole part or just parts of it (you have a similar
>> feature using org mode, the python kernel, and jupyter, however not
>> all commands are supported using org mode, plotting for example is
>> not, debugging neither). Again a similarity with auctex
>>
>> 4. You can debug code, although that worked better in the past, but it is still quite reasonable
> Don't these work much better in the Matlab interpreter?
Do you mean, does debugging work better using the internal editor. It
depends, the pointer when moving is bit better explained, but I have
tried both and I prefer emacs for debugging, but again that might be a
personal preference.
>> > I'm asking because I never understood why people who use Matlab would
>> > like to use Emacs in conjunction with Matlab, since the Matlab
>> > interactive mode provides so many features that are practically
>> > necessary for any reasonable use of Matlab. So what can Emacs
>> > possibly add to that?
>>
>> I am not sure what you mean by interactive mode here?
> Where you get the ">>" prompt and can examine data, run code
> fragments, etc. The REPL.
But this is not an editor, I don't understand you. I am given a single
matlab file what I need to examine, you want to do this from the command
line?
>> If this is the case, then, you cannot debug, and you cannot execute
>> code from emacs, it is more of a one way thing.
> Given the above, I still don't understand why you'd want to have Emacs
> support for it. Why not use the Matlab facilities, which AFAIK are
> significantly more powerful and flexible than anything Emacs can
> reasonably provide?
All I can say is, I have to use matlab more than 15 years, and I have
tried it both ways, I much prefer emacs, it is more, when I am forced to
use Windows (no surprise my university uses MS windows for their PC,
than I am much slower in debugging and checking students code, the emacs
matlab shell does not work in MS Windows, only in GNU/Linux and MacOs,
most likely in BSD as well)
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Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-11-20 17:53 could matlab-mode be in ELPA or the GNU emacs tree (like auctex and org-mode)? Uwe Brauer
2021-11-20 22:42 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-11-21 0:00 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-11-21 8:08 ` Uwe Brauer
2021-11-21 8:17 ` Po Lu
2021-11-21 8:25 ` Uwe Brauer
2021-11-21 9:23 ` Po Lu
2021-11-21 9:34 ` Uwe Brauer
2021-11-21 9:55 ` Po Lu
2021-11-21 10:04 ` Uwe Brauer
2021-11-21 11:40 ` dick
2021-11-21 20:16 ` Andy Moreton
2021-11-21 10:58 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-11-21 12:16 ` dick
2021-11-21 14:17 ` Uwe Brauer
2021-11-21 16:15 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-11-21 16:25 ` Uwe Brauer
2021-11-21 16:39 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-11-21 17:13 ` Uwe Brauer
2021-11-21 14:49 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-11-21 16:31 ` Uwe Brauer
2021-11-21 17:32 ` dick
2021-11-22 13:58 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-11-23 6:13 ` Richard Stallman
2021-11-21 8:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-21 8:32 ` Uwe Brauer
2021-11-21 8:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-21 8:51 ` Uwe Brauer [this message]
2021-11-21 9:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-21 9:29 ` Uwe Brauer
2021-11-21 11:32 ` dick
2021-11-21 14:26 ` Uwe Brauer
2021-11-22 2:30 ` Richard Stallman
2021-11-22 7:56 ` Uwe Brauer
2021-11-22 13:59 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-02-14 11:51 ` Jean Louis
2022-02-14 11:49 ` Jean Louis
2022-02-16 4:11 ` Richard Stallman
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