From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?utf-8?Q?John_Ankarstr=C3=B6m?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Allowing point to be outside the window? Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2021 02:45:02 +0100 Message-ID: <87ee6nx42p.fsf@ankarstrom.se> References: <87ilwd7zaq.fsf.ref@yahoo.com> <87ilwd7zaq.fsf@yahoo.com> <83bl24yaed.fsf@gnu.org> <87sfvg7l51.fsf@yahoo.com> <87r1az6bpy.fsf@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="11004"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.2 (berkeley-unix) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:E1ENkuviVaQdsVPbWeL5ENPjPSY= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 08 02:46:29 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mum2O-0002f8-NJ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 08 Dec 2021 02:46:28 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43934 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mum2N-0003wt-Bu for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 07 Dec 2021 20:46:27 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:60350) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mum19-00039H-A6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Dec 2021 20:45:11 -0500 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]:44536) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mum17-0005e3-LN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Dec 2021 20:45:11 -0500 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mum15-0000wa-Iq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Dec 2021 02:45:07 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -15 X-Spam_score: -1.6 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:281300 Archived-At: Po Lu writes: > Alan Mackenzie writes: > >> Why would anybody want this? Why do you want this? This isn't a >> rhetorical question. Because other programs do it isn't a satisfactory >> reason. [...] > > The feature will be optional, of course. And it will certainly be > disabled by default, because I don't want it either. For what it's worth, I think that it would be a good idea to limit this feature to mouse-based scrolling. That's what I've been doing in my own Elisp emulation of this kind of thing [1]. I agree with Alan that, if you primarily use the keyboard for scrolling, it is very jarring if editing/movement commands bring the window view back to the original position. But the mouse provdides an easy way of overriding the original position (by left-clicking on a new position). [1] http://ankarstrom.se/~john/emacs/scroll-without-point.el