From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Philip Kaludercic Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Comments on setopt Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2022 17:17:29 +0000 Message-ID: <87ee44nj6e.fsf@posteo.net> References: <871r05rr2r.fsf@posteo.net> <871r04qxu4.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="8618"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Feb 15 18:20:11 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nK1Uo-00022S-9n for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 15 Feb 2022 18:20:10 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42884 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nK1Un-0002Px-42 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 15 Feb 2022 12:20:09 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:36984) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nK1SJ-0008Uw-UL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Feb 2022 12:17:37 -0500 Original-Received: from mout01.posteo.de ([185.67.36.65]:49427) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nK1SH-0001iE-BJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Feb 2022 12:17:35 -0500 Original-Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8137B240027 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2022 18:17:30 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1644945450; bh=CZJxi90zSaCmsaD7b/quqxDU39kdN20qXhwC2xFKaVQ=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Autocrypt:Date:From; b=jgMHC5lhN/yhCukKvP3RtFcGoG5dhqMjG0KPZbsEMfkzXP19BGFPgHRPx8f/KV73E OpsIBr8auDhoYPiT6xKpBRYDvu6Gan+s3grIjK31z9ciDdL4tfa/nvNIZogbRNeiy8 NZ8IxxiYJ2g9kEzO4E7jsYHpKs7AJIUoa42bKS0BPRxMKEi2u6Ucw2ZbsdiLCP/0+b FEK592eIHixwpNm79T944If5ZyAqssrIVyn+zkbk/eHkrb191u/LeqCihNB7H6LqBR 4IXCynkgqHFN5bJrGdEZt96ylgNFlrtoQhMZ1ST00wb/UHw0XaSi8FMTq7P4j1or/I KHMUXMTU7xiIg== Original-Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4JynpK6rzmz9rxW; Tue, 15 Feb 2022 18:17:29 +0100 (CET) Autocrypt: addr=philipk@posteo.net; prefer-encrypt=nopreference; keydata= mDMEYHHqUhYJKwYBBAHaRw8BAQdAp3GdmYJ6tm5McweY6dEvIYIiry+Oz9rU4MH6NHWK0Ee0QlBo aWxpcCBLYWx1ZGVyY2ljIChnZW5lcmF0ZWQgYnkgYXV0b2NyeXB0LmVsKSA8cGhpbGlwa0Bwb3N0 ZW8ubmV0PoiQBBMWCAA4FiEEDM2H44ZoPt9Ms0eHtVrAHPRh1FwFAmBx6lICGwMFCwkIBwIGFQoJ CAsCBBYCAwECHgECF4AACgkQtVrAHPRh1FyTkgEAjlbGPxFchvMbxzAES3r8QLuZgCxeAXunM9gh io0ePtUBALVhh9G6wIoZhl0gUCbQpoN/UJHI08Gm1qDob5zDxnIHuDgEYHHqUhIKKwYBBAGXVQEF AQEHQNcRB+MUimTMqoxxMMUERpOR+Q4b1KgncDZkhrO2ql1tAwEIB4h4BBgWCAAgFiEEDM2H44Zo Pt9Ms0eHtVrAHPRh1FwFAmBx6lICGwwACgkQtVrAHPRh1Fw1JwD/Qo7kvtib8jy7puyWrSv0MeTS g8qIxgoRWJE/KKdkCLEA/jb9b9/g8nnX+UcwHf/4VfKsjExlnND3FrBviXUW6NcB In-Reply-To: <871r04qxu4.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Tue, 15 Feb 2022 10:32:35 +0100") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.65; envelope-from=philipk@posteo.net; helo=mout01.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:286336 Archived-At: Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > Philip Kaludercic writes: > >> - As `customize-set-variable' is being used directly, the "user" theme >> is modified, and a customisation might be mirrored in >> `custom-set-variables'. This can lead to the unfortunate situation >> where your setopt configuration is overriden by the >> `custom-set-variables', depending on when and how you load `custom-file' >> and when and how the `custom-set-variables' was generated. > > Isn't that the case no matter how these variables are set? It depends > on the order. Well yes, but the issue can still be confusing and isn't obvious to solve at first. Just recently I had a similar issue where smtpmail-smtp-service was set to 25, despite my configuration setting int to 587, even after restarting Emacs. The reason was that in my custom-file, it was reverted to 25 (for some reason), and of course, just deleting the line isn't enough, as it might be re-genereted again. I can deal with this, but I also recognise the potential for confusion. -- Philip Kaludercic