From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Visuwesh Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Abysmal state of GTK build Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2022 22:21:31 +0530 Message-ID: <87edx9fsks.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87ilmlluxq.fsf.ref@yahoo.com> <87ilmlluxq.fsf@yahoo.com> <83h725deo3.fsf@gnu.org> <87bksdltah.fsf@yahoo.com> <87r119bni8.fsf@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="26669"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Po Lu , Eli Zaretskii , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Robert Pluim Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Aug 21 19:04:17 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oPoMy-0006hk-Ul for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 21 Aug 2022 19:04:16 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33288 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oPoMy-00031V-0G for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 21 Aug 2022 13:04:16 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:40984) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oPoAt-00019U-AZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Aug 2022 12:51:47 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-pj1-x1042.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::1042]:39587) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oPoAr-0004zp-NJ; Sun, 21 Aug 2022 12:51:47 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-pj1-x1042.google.com with SMTP id s36-20020a17090a69a700b001faad0a7a34so11804777pjj.4; Sun, 21 Aug 2022 09:51:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:user-agent:message-id:date :references:in-reply-to:subject:cc:to:from:from:to:cc; bh=fYsRyw55zKSYY6ogFU+sT905Q2jysogHgp4g+3dofV8=; b=FdVZYvLip2f6RPt9BSybEr2m4BQKUUol2gCnlPVGMkOlIMSvuLCIWaU3p8fyDsLewA 9E7F8nowDTXn1Gmf/CCgTHSP93OKD1XRvh/DW6JIO0deT59ENdorLqoN4MHe/oVM3Pny T+RYXLbvKG6gXNcvChC/NSSIcXtZAcDcfn/dZelfMcMtIiCUfAvADOc8vLuJJXXgzHC5 KOwSpD/UNXnXX2C+Y0KMmlsCIz6EibSW6LEx0LO4m6Ri+xQer233QV+b/Pt9Kn6n9ZDM ix6CsWCxfhrCJ1L07U7OEjGX/Bla+Iwxk5uHjmkiWdVRiUX0c2U2+gHCgnvmYYOeHSER o54Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:user-agent:message-id:date :references:in-reply-to:subject:cc:to:from:x-gm-message-state:from :to:cc; bh=fYsRyw55zKSYY6ogFU+sT905Q2jysogHgp4g+3dofV8=; b=mJCIdZB/sNK2uYIxdn5dMQKkskp/Ue5aVCl+BHfXcP6kKjBuiIg2/Sq2P6C2S0TptM inotIVrM/4XP7L4gNV2na86eF03EDWdr2WeKz2Jn44t7+DWCKIcsh4j0TrsESdm/OurL QNs41JgQzCzcHng/I2rqbJUTJDc1T44SXdJ6YP4yJOisaOP+e/IsdiIkr7paZN2dnfIg yizuOqLbOjCyziqL1WUpunTptAlF9OFKJMnV4r96W8B3ME4UDDuBnt++A+FhMc50VE18 FnCm55GwQXj2lW81EhvWQYcPKEJTjfExiREF84sRHOanv5D2my1bLOE43/71NO4bCora WeGw== X-Gm-Message-State: ACgBeo2DdlrEcOJWOjgaTd2OZxeZ5ERL9VQ5pN2rr0bCwx0XHgOvfW54 wy2PofVKKkpEGuAsVFMThzQ= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AA6agR4ZFK9dr0GA8ZuFsfvIEEPB6bZ35bUSvGVqu7MWbf7QyxEcSGQc/ZAls/4Kg+pdOkN//r9CIQ== X-Received: by 2002:a17:90a:cb93:b0:1fa:c4db:ef42 with SMTP id a19-20020a17090acb9300b001fac4dbef42mr19864911pju.10.1661100702797; Sun, 21 Aug 2022 09:51:42 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from localhost ([118.185.152.162]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id x124-20020a623182000000b00534cb3872edsm6870265pfx.166.2022.08.21.09.51.40 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Sun, 21 Aug 2022 09:51:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87r119bni8.fsf@gmail.com> (Robert Pluim's message of "Sun, 21 Aug 2022 17:54:39 +0200") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::1042; envelope-from=visuweshm@gmail.com; helo=mail-pj1-x1042.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 21 Aug 2022 13:03:02 -0400 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:293754 Archived-At: [=E0=AE=9E=E0=AE=BE=E0=AE=AF=E0=AE=BF=E0=AE=B1=E0=AF=81 =E0=AE=86=E0=AE=95= =E0=AE=B8=E0=AF=8D=E0=AE=9F=E0=AF=8D 21, 2022] Robert Pluim wrote: > >>>>>> On Sun, 21 Aug 2022 19:39:34 +0800, Po Lu said: > > Po Lu> Eli Zaretskii writes: > >> Why not Lucid? > > Po Lu> I forgot to include that, sorry. I meant it along with the Mo= tif build, > Po Lu> since both work equally well. Several months ago only the Mot= if build > Po Lu> was usable under XInput 2, but all of those bugs were eliminat= ed between > Po Lu> then and now. > > There was a time when I was young and na=C3=AFve, and thought that GTK was > going to be the answer to Emacs=CA=BC toolkit issues. That has turned out > to be somewhat untrue [1], so perhaps we should default to Lucid (it=CA= =BCs > still pretty ugly, but I don=CA=BCt use menus or scrollbars so that doesn= =CA=BCt > affect me personally). One potential with the Lucid backend is that it does not support the XEmbed protocol IIRC.