From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Philip Kaludercic Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [NonGNU ELPA] New package: sweep Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2022 18:56:15 +0000 Message-ID: <87edvvl44w.fsf@posteo.net> References: <877d1qlynt.fsf@posteo.net> <874jwsn214.fsf@posteo.net> <87mtakklgh.fsf@posteo.net> <868rm376hl.fsf@mail.linkov.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="1642"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Eshel Yaron , emacs-devel@gnu.org, Jan Wielemaker To: Juri Linkov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Sep 28 21:02:58 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1odcKf-0000CI-R3 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 28 Sep 2022 21:02:57 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49324 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1odcKe-0001VM-OT for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 28 Sep 2022 15:02:56 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:46418) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1odcEO-0004Jx-KV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 28 Sep 2022 14:56:28 -0400 Original-Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]:49295) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1odcEK-0007h0-H4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 28 Sep 2022 14:56:28 -0400 Original-Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9462B240101 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2022 20:56:21 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1664391381; bh=AKZT1UXRa227P2JWQyARj98UbJJyxQJtJGrC/Qm7otI=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Autocrypt:Date:From; b=KjTl4jIb2VO3IQ7d3TaZ3J70keIT6MJRQXCvd/aAPIGpIqcv8Cha4fZeCQHKtl0l/ RO5cX4xXWqTX/GNRBGYg8Po0DzUrH5zLjCzogDbICRT0IvbSV6Lf9/37stBuThZJh9 ZiuLdptbFE/LXCjmzWZl3yuZ4gVni6zmOdC/Eg+YOZo9ATfmzSzmo1khL7l/fodQpD 0EykazLnz8w/eHKV8iJBX8kzIe/1WZ0lM4oA6aFI3YA+uHS+L65seOP97bPrGN83+H 7VfSxA95QYYiFra/Npuc7QciJijTwDavRm+WL8g1Kqyx22pkQs2tgnpc2Z2TkaMHEb 7ypXvXOccV3mg== Original-Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4Md5LX5GvDz9rxN; Wed, 28 Sep 2022 20:56:20 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <868rm376hl.fsf@mail.linkov.net> (Juri Linkov's message of "Wed, 28 Sep 2022 20:49:10 +0300") Autocrypt: addr=philipk@posteo.net; prefer-encrypt=nopreference; keydata= mDMEYHHqUhYJKwYBBAHaRw8BAQdAp3GdmYJ6tm5McweY6dEvIYIiry+Oz9rU4MH6NHWK0Ee0QlBo aWxpcCBLYWx1ZGVyY2ljIChnZW5lcmF0ZWQgYnkgYXV0b2NyeXB0LmVsKSA8cGhpbGlwa0Bwb3N0 ZW8ubmV0PoiQBBMWCAA4FiEEDM2H44ZoPt9Ms0eHtVrAHPRh1FwFAmBx6lICGwMFCwkIBwIGFQoJ CAsCBBYCAwECHgECF4AACgkQtVrAHPRh1FyTkgEAjlbGPxFchvMbxzAES3r8QLuZgCxeAXunM9gh io0ePtUBALVhh9G6wIoZhl0gUCbQpoN/UJHI08Gm1qDob5zDxnIHuDgEYHHqUhIKKwYBBAGXVQEF AQEHQNcRB+MUimTMqoxxMMUERpOR+Q4b1KgncDZkhrO2ql1tAwEIB4h4BBgWCAAgFiEEDM2H44Zo Pt9Ms0eHtVrAHPRh1FwFAmBx6lICGwwACgkQtVrAHPRh1Fw1JwD/Qo7kvtib8jy7puyWrSv0MeTS g8qIxgoRWJE/KKdkCLEA/jb9b9/g8nnX+UcwHf/4VfKsjExlnND3FrBviXUW6NcB Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.66; envelope-from=philipk@posteo.net; helo=mout02.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:296417 Archived-At: Juri Linkov writes: >>>> I agree with RMS () that it might >>>> be nice to have a more indicative name, or at least something that >>>> includes "Prolog". Mor eso because "sweep" makes me think of something >>>> that cleans. >>> >>> I've given it some thought, and all in all I would like to keep the name >>> `sweep` for this project. I do see however why this name may be >>> unhelpful for Emacs users who are not familiar with SWI-Prolog, or who >>> are looking for some "cleaning" package... As a possible solution, I'd >>> be happy to change the name of the Elisp package to `sweeprolog` while >>> still referring to the project as a whole as `sweep` (e.g. in the >>> manual). Does that sounds alright? >> >> I think that would be nice, and there shouldn't be a need to rename the >> entire project. > > I wonder where this requirement to put all tags in the package name comes from? > While looking at the long list of package names, it's hard to find a package > whose name immediately hints at what it does. This is a non-problem > that is solved in all package managers by using tags and full-text search. > And indeed list-package allows both ways, e.g. when someone is interested > in Prolog, then it's easy to type '/ k' (package-menu-filter-by-keyword). > Or try to use '/ d erlang RET' (package-menu-filter-by-description) > and see that almost no package has it in the package name, > yet these packages can be easily found: > > auto-complete-distel melpa Erlang/distel completion backend for auto-complete-mode > company-distel melpa Erlang/distel completion backend for company-mode > company-erlang melpa company backend based on ivy-erlang-complete > distel-completion-lib melpa Completion library for Erlang/Distel > edts melpa Erlang Development Tool Suite > erlang melpa Erlang major mode > erlstack-mode melpa Minor mode for analysing Erlang stacktraces > ivy-erlang-complete melpa Erlang context sensitive completion at point using ivy > lfe-mode melpa Lisp Flavoured Erlang mode The package list does help, but having a name that can be understood on its own seems like a good thing. There is no reason to make package discovery more difficult. Tough I might be a bit extreme on this topic. E.g. I remember when starting out with *nix, not wanting to use grep when searching for a program to filter a file, just because of the name.