From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Rob Browning Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Suppressing native compilation (short and long term) Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2022 12:15:27 -0500 Message-ID: <87edvqno40.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> References: <87bkqxf1ij.fsf@tethera.net> <8335c9dkyf.fsf@gnu.org> <83tu4odez7.fsf@gnu.org> <871qrrpkgx.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <834jwnbi6c.fsf@gnu.org> <87mtafnun5.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <83sfk6ahty.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="13164"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, david@tethera.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org, akrl@sdf.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 02 19:19:39 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1of2ct-0003Hh-HT for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 02 Oct 2022 19:19:39 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47108 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1of2cs-00005g-HJ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 02 Oct 2022 13:19:38 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:45460) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1of2ZN-0005qc-VE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 02 Oct 2022 13:16:03 -0400 Original-Received: from defaultvalue.org ([45.33.119.55]:37448) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1of2ZM-0003uA-Bk; Sun, 02 Oct 2022 13:16:01 -0400 Original-Received: from trouble.defaultvalue.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (Authenticated sender: rlb@defaultvalue.org) by defaultvalue.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 39CF72071C; Sun, 2 Oct 2022 12:15:28 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: by trouble.defaultvalue.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B8F1314E081; Sun, 2 Oct 2022 12:15:27 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: <83sfk6ahty.fsf@gnu.org> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=45.33.119.55; envelope-from=rlb@defaultvalue.org; helo=defaultvalue.org X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:296648 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > Battery consumption doesn't seem very relevant, because JIT > compilation will happen when the system is used, not when it sleeps. > And it is entirely not guaranteed that by compiling everything you > will save power in the long run, because there are good chances you > will be compiling stuff that won't be used for a long time. Without > quantitative data of long-term power usage on which to base the > conclusions, I don't see why you should a-priori assume that compiling > everything from the get-go should use less power. Same goes for disk > space by multiple users. On this particular topic, I was actually just communicating a concern that was communicated to me -- that a user wasn't happy about the unpredictable, compilation spike long after the install on their laptop, (in part due to concerns about power consumption). (Personally, as a user, I'd also prefer to pay the cost up front, most of the time, during package install, and to avoid per-user duplications where possible, but that said, I generally do try to avoid basing Debian packaging decisions solely on my preferences, and I do want to try to favor upstream preferences in general.) -- Rob Browning rlb @defaultvalue.org and @debian.org GPG as of 2011-07-10 E6A9 DA3C C9FD 1FF8 C676 D2C4 C0F0 39E9 ED1B 597A GPG as of 2002-11-03 14DD 432F AE39 534D B592 F9A0 25C8 D377 8C7E 73A4