From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Philip Kaludercic Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs Survey 2022 - design Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2022 16:06:21 +0000 Message-ID: <87edvq2osi.fsf@posteo.net> References: <87ee0sb3by.fsf@gmail.com> <874jwma9cy.fsf@tecosaur.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="36520"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Timothy Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 02 18:07:48 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1of1VL-0009N6-UX for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 02 Oct 2022 18:07:48 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38668 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1of1VK-0000yu-T7 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 02 Oct 2022 12:07:46 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:47694) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1of1U7-0000Do-71 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 02 Oct 2022 12:06:31 -0400 Original-Received: from mout01.posteo.de ([185.67.36.65]:60357) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1of1U5-0002sN-2e for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 02 Oct 2022 12:06:30 -0400 Original-Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0C70924003A for ; Sun, 2 Oct 2022 18:06:26 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1664726787; bh=N3zTGlnB+vw5KZs3+5GTkYz2ESXguZGde1QJusbxNSY=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Autocrypt:Date:From; b=Ts7NUjOS7NG+ns9+zr1AVhm6tXM7dFQNX5MPhr1ag3binappTnluUb2uwrLt4zO3H cqe4BEt7ryiyS2FjblLahWfUTW2uDiOtb6PE2Apg125Mvkq8xK2BYAQBN5zKa5T3uy VTgc29LdryH8pUpk4XYFBTOiK/WiOH11PH0XKC30hBUJMAyrZg9YuXNzciRMUHmyFo pykJwLBfBW/APCqi/wgozUwOWhNDLg/AGvKE+ezpmT2wL5q6y2Hr6aDyapAnCraCUz 7Je1kTXXuQ27pwCGaizAayUl39LbTObLSiOINoYgvaL7wontBT9cU52hNSlL6tGDJq DYFlLBvYO3Xig== Original-Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4MgTNf3TNHz9rxH; Sun, 2 Oct 2022 18:06:26 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <874jwma9cy.fsf@tecosaur.net> (Timothy's message of "Sun, 02 Oct 2022 16:30:48 +0800") Autocrypt: addr=philipk@posteo.net; prefer-encrypt=nopreference; keydata= mDMEYHHqUhYJKwYBBAHaRw8BAQdAp3GdmYJ6tm5McweY6dEvIYIiry+Oz9rU4MH6NHWK0Ee0QlBo aWxpcCBLYWx1ZGVyY2ljIChnZW5lcmF0ZWQgYnkgYXV0b2NyeXB0LmVsKSA8cGhpbGlwa0Bwb3N0 ZW8ubmV0PoiQBBMWCAA4FiEEDM2H44ZoPt9Ms0eHtVrAHPRh1FwFAmBx6lICGwMFCwkIBwIGFQoJ CAsCBBYCAwECHgECF4AACgkQtVrAHPRh1FyTkgEAjlbGPxFchvMbxzAES3r8QLuZgCxeAXunM9gh io0ePtUBALVhh9G6wIoZhl0gUCbQpoN/UJHI08Gm1qDob5zDxnIHuDgEYHHqUhIKKwYBBAGXVQEF AQEHQNcRB+MUimTMqoxxMMUERpOR+Q4b1KgncDZkhrO2ql1tAwEIB4h4BBgWCAAgFiEEDM2H44Zo Pt9Ms0eHtVrAHPRh1FwFAmBx6lICGwwACgkQtVrAHPRh1Fw1JwD/Qo7kvtib8jy7puyWrSv0MeTS g8qIxgoRWJE/KKdkCLEA/jb9b9/g8nnX+UcwHf/4VfKsjExlnND3FrBviXUW6NcB Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.65; envelope-from=philipk@posteo.net; helo=mout01.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:296632 Archived-At: Timothy writes: > Hi All, > > If any of you are wondering what happened to this, it has not been forgot= ten > about! My very competitive todo list just pushed this on the backburner f= or a > while. > > I=E2=80=99m returning to this now though, and hopefully will start testin= g the > deployment and promoting the survey shortly (probably over the next few w= eeks). First of all, I'd just like to thank you once more for taking it on yourself to organise this! I am looking forward to seeing the results! > If anybody has last-minute =E2=80=9CI really think you should change/add/= remove this > question=E2=80=9D feedback, now would be the time to mention it. I think = the current > state of affairs is fairly decent though, and I don=E2=80=99t think it wo= uld be worth > bikeshedding the questions =F0=9F=98=9B =E2=80=94 we can always refine/im= prove next year. > > The current set of questions: > We have already been discussing this in private, but I'd like to re-post it here for others to comment on: Timothy writes: > Philip Kaludercic writes: > >> I remember that =E2=80=9Cresidence=E2=80=9D was at least one more op= tion that was >> discussed, and I still think that it is preferable to nationality. > > Why? It seems like a worse option to me. > >> doesn=E2=80=99t even have need to be that precise, it could be somet= hing like >> the UN geoscheme[0], i.e. the following: >> >> - Eastern Africa >> - Middle Africa >> - Northern Africa >> - Southern Africa >> - Western Africa >> - Caribbean >> - Central America >> - Northern America >> - South America >> - Central Asia >> - Eastern Asia >> - South-eastern Asia >> - Southern Asia >> - Western Asia >> - Eastern Europe >> - Northern Europe >> - Southern Europe >> - Western Europe >> - Australia and New Zealand >> - Melanesia >> - Micronesia >> - Polynesia > >> Optionally some regions like =E2=80=9CNorth America=E2=80=9D and =E2= =80=9CEastern Europe=E2=80=9D could >> be subdivided[1]. This gives us an approximation of where Emacs use= rs are >> found, instead of what countries they might or might not have been b= orn >> in. > > Nationality isn=E2=80=99t which country you=E2=80=99re born in, but t= he country you belong to > most. For someone like me this is a meaningless question, and I don't think I am alone here. Again, what I am wondering is what the question's intent is. Maybe I am missing something but finding out what the association is between Emacs usage/behaviour and residence seems more interesting than national identity. It might also be that the entire question and anything related to it is pointless to begin with... > With regards to survey promotion, I=E2=80=99m thinking it would be good t= o mention this > as widely as possible to try to reach a diverse range of respondents. If = other > people might have ideas on how to effectively share this survey around, t= hat > would be great. It will probably be best to mention in the usual places (the mailing lists, IRC, Emacs news, r*ddit, HN, image boards, etc.) with an explicit ca= ll to share it among friends and colleagues that also use Emacs but perhaps don't follow "recent events". Anything beyond that will probably be a waste of time. > All the best, > Timothy