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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID f5384339f29e060632903c896cc2deef; Tue, 11 Oct 2022 08:23:48 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <83bkqig4xl.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Tue, 11 Oct 2022 11:06:30 +0300") X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.20740 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Received-SPF: pass client-ip=66.163.185.146; envelope-from=luangruo@yahoo.com; helo=sonic305-20.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:297455 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > Yes, but Emacs is not only for editing computer programs. It is also > for editing human-readable text, email exchange, writing program > documentation, and other areas where support for various scripts and > languages is important. Otherwise, why would we invest such a > significant effort into providing and developing those features? Why > did Emacs so painstakingly go from unibyte text representation to > multibyte in version 20? Program documentation is mostly written in English. But anyway, see below. > Actually, they are: in comments and strings. > > Anyway, this line of reasoning is a non-starter. You are, in effect, > denying the whole chunk of Emacs history and development since the > late 90s. No. Support for many different scripts is obviously nice-to-have, but is not at all crucial for a text editor that primarily edits code. > The same will arguably happen with tree-sitter, once Emacs starts > using it seriously. I'm sorry, but I really cannot agree there. Emacs aside, only niche editors utilize tree-sitter to provide core parsing functionality. No operating system will start including it by default just because it has become an important dependency of Emacs. > Of course, it is. What feature in Emacs requires connecting to the internet to work? package.el aside: packages can easily be retrieved via ftp, installed manually, and are not required for Emacs to work well.