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From: Theodor Thornhill <theo@thornhill.no>
To: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com>, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: casouri@gmail.com, jostein@kjonigsen.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Suggesting that feature/tree-sitter be merged (was Re: Tree-sitter and major mode inheritance)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2022 12:49:55 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87edtztb8c.fsf@thornhill.no> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CADwFkmkqTpGnh=1ur+S1oVDeJP4_mdOuhZSyLsGmtQDRkJUmqw@mail.gmail.com>

Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com> writes:

> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>
>> The intent is for Emacs 29 to include several modes based on
>> tree-sitter, and several others to have optional features based on
>> tree-sitter.  Based on the state of the soon-to-be-merged branch, I
>> see no reason to declare its support as experimental.
>
> My comment was more general, as IIUC we are still seeing quite a bit of
> movement even in the low-level fundamentals on that branch, as recently
> as the last week or two.  But if you and others are happy to declare our
> tree-sitter support stable, so much the better.

Only one of the modes is auto-enabled, and that one is because it is
missing support altogether natively in Emacs.  The others are
second-class to their older counterparts, and likely will be for years
to come.  My personal suggestion is to just keep them separate, as
interested parties will find and enable these anyways.  If at some point
tree-sitter is so ubiquitous that it being second class doesn't make
sense anymore we can make it the default.  That's why I don't think we
need to make it experimental: people that will be early adopters will
likely compile emacs from master and get improvements incrementally,
though they should be usable enough for others to use, should a package
manager provide the integration within the stable Emacs 29 package.

I agree with Eli in that providing only the api and "glue-code" would
guarantee that people will just create their own, external variants
that'll be hard to remove should we provide our own down the line.




  reply	other threads:[~2022-11-19 11:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-11-16 20:45 Tree-sitter and major mode inheritance Yuan Fu
2022-11-18 21:54 ` Suggesting that feature/tree-sitter be merged (was Re: Tree-sitter and major mode inheritance) Jostein Kjønigsen
2022-11-18 22:34   ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-18 22:58     ` Yuan Fu
2022-11-18 23:36       ` Stefan Monnier
2022-11-19  7:09       ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-19 14:07         ` Standardized access to a REPL (was: Suggesting that feature/tree-sitter be merged) Stefan Monnier
2022-11-19 15:03           ` Standardized access to a REPL Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-19 16:07             ` Stefan Monnier
2022-11-19 16:10               ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-19 16:18                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-19 22:31                   ` Stefan Monnier
2022-11-20  9:25                     ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-19  8:29     ` Suggesting that feature/tree-sitter be merged (was Re: Tree-sitter and major mode inheritance) Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-19 10:46       ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-19 11:36         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-19 12:15           ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-19 13:05             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-19 21:34         ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-11-18 22:52   ` Yuan Fu
2022-11-19  5:21     ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-11-19 18:35       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-19 18:46         ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-11-19 18:51           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-19 18:59             ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-11-19  7:36     ` Stefan Kangas
2022-11-19  8:09       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-19 11:25         ` Stefan Kangas
2022-11-19 11:49           ` Theodor Thornhill [this message]
2022-11-19 12:03           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-19  8:16   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-19  9:41 ` Tree-sitter and major mode inheritance Yuan Fu
2022-11-19 10:26   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-19 10:29     ` Po Lu
2022-11-19 15:19     ` Stefan Monnier
2022-11-19 17:17       ` Yuan Fu
2022-11-19 17:52         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-19 21:45           ` Yuan Fu
2022-11-20  7:05             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-20  0:38       ` Po Lu
2022-11-19 21:39     ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-11-19 21:49       ` Yuan Fu
2022-11-19 22:03         ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-11-19 22:36           ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-11-19 23:36             ` Yuan Fu
2022-11-19 23:42               ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-11-20  7:28                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-20 13:22                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-11-20 14:49                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-20 15:24                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-11-20  7:11           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-20  9:19             ` Yuan Fu
2022-11-20 10:02               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-20 22:57                 ` Yuan Fu
2022-11-20  7:05         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-20 17:12           ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-11-20 17:34             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-20  6:51       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-20 12:45         ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-11-20 14:42           ` Eli Zaretskii

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