From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?utf-8?Q?Bj=C3=B6rn?= Bidar Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Builder, a build system integration for Emacs Date: Mon, 29 May 2023 00:17:24 +0300 Message-ID: <87edn06tqz.fsf@thaodan.de> References: <95980ffc-86e7-ad54-4a20-539d8c6ea5d0@mailo.com> <87jzwzh2bm.fsf@posteo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="18849"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cc: Richard Stallman , BTuin , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Philip Kaludercic Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun May 28 23:18:32 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1q3NmZ-0004it-HO for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 28 May 2023 23:18:31 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1q3Nld-0001yG-FM; Sun, 28 May 2023 17:17:33 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1q3Nlb-0001y4-Aw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 28 May 2023 17:17:31 -0400 Original-Received: from thaodan.de ([185.216.177.71]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1q3NlZ-0002mb-Bq; Sun, 28 May 2023 17:17:31 -0400 Original-Received: from odin (unknown [IPv6:2001:2062:2301:f400:72a:be51:2c32:1a06]) by thaodan.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 78E36D08DAB; Mon, 29 May 2023 00:17:25 +0300 (EEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=thaodan.de; s=mail; t=1685308645; bh=8Nf5Lfs8dLziajCjlpMDesXROoR6h4ALutq9+Xwpm0Y=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date; b=wS+ubpJZNAmp7s4cyVkizrdhsrjrVgmaTVVVZVw9320GQongTmEBYuZuhM8NL3S9z 2NIoPWtMg1avVbFsOV5GZbSoBXpkZg70yYpNY4o6ZQE5VAMcffkHIK0GmFTUgoLROO Ktt1svWxOzPbyL2xZSFsReSWbppu3R/X8JlIv2Or4jfBsKx8jDmzVnJkxBX6CQK/+8 3SGUym4+9SibIRC3cn5iCP0+Otv05N4GP1+ncXehECnizJneW8u1DOtVbozMMt/Cat 5wrjspzpkwmXmRne2t4i5NY0MI8zoAuAi1mPRRBPE9+Txx6LWymlmJpCJSEwlcKW2H xUQOmNYupstww9L0evNwe+AWw1q42GqGKg4O2tA4Q3vUmfuQ4/cnatHSD50M3R6mGV ykwA33YBG82ka+zRyf1ghk3NAvBnEGP6JmOoBs7iwEZr7qY6VYsaI5hTZoYlDs2R7H TuwfRNT5PONvN+8G3ax+grZk9sPDtrUE6ZlxcfAtD3i6L1eFlD0yGwFFfYVItTs8HL EoZV/yvcdDsI71CI2iJnhwV1Nof0pW0OCdxOcNPtuO3Vz12IKDg/U4iEe9cSWJZtAh I47CtMrp3NIEr+3tdzIvRC9j20qEnSK3SfRIPkooW+HCn0M/qySI7qGFhbCFfkfLzg JdHtfy+HTzbBeuIhbfqKuWMc= In-Reply-To: <87jzwzh2bm.fsf@posteo.net> (Philip Kaludercic's message of "Tue, 23 May 2023 08:36:13 +0000") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.216.177.71; envelope-from=bjorn.bidar@thaodan.de; helo=thaodan.de X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:306376 Archived-At: Philip Kaludercic writes: > Richard Stallman writes: > >> [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] >> [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] >> [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] >> >> > As far as I know, Emacs does not provide a convenient way to use build >> > systems, >> >> Isn't "use build systems" what M-x compile does? >> Assuming that each bui;d system provides a shell command to invoke it, >> M-x compile can run that command and build the package. > > The issue is not what M-x compile, but that with a lot of modern > programming languages the build systems are complex but automatable, to > a point that it would be nice if Emacs could detect the necessary > information to invoke the right command or sequence of commands. This is what projectile's project types do. I think these would be a good fit to port to project.el since these are about more than building but also testing and debugging etc. I think it impossible to get a one size fits all tool that will abstract all project types.