From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [NonGNU ELPA] New package: llm Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2023 04:11:59 +0200 Message-ID: <87edk7k7ww.fsf@dataswamp.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="29559"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:AcLrr/8qshzaWz0V0Oq23IN2nt8= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Aug 13 07:10:05 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qV3Mb-0007Tc-BP for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 13 Aug 2023 07:10:05 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qV3MG-00069X-0V; Sun, 13 Aug 2023 01:09:44 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qV0aQ-0003ND-RL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Aug 2023 22:12:11 -0400 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qV0aP-0007g7-5P for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Aug 2023 22:12:10 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qV0aN-00071t-58 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Aug 2023 04:12:07 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Mail-Copies-To: never Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -15 X-Spam_score: -1.6 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 13 Aug 2023 01:09:36 -0400 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:308643 Archived-At: Richard Stallman wrote: > You made suggestions for how to exclude more code from Emacs > itself, and support for obscure language models we probably > should exclude. But there is no need to exclude the support > for the well-known ones, as I've explained. We should include as much as possible, but it doesn't really matter if we include it in vanilla Emacs or in a package in ELPA as long as it is included. Rather, the message would be, in vanilla Emacs where whenever something wasn't included, "you have opened a file for programming in X which is currently partially unsupported in vanilla Emacs, but note there are 7 packages in ELPA including a major mode to do exactly that ...". And when enough people get annoyed by that message one would consider it to be about time to move it from ELPA into vanilla Emacs ... -- underground experts united https://dataswamp.org/~incal