From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: seq.el and the complexity of Emacs Lisp. Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2023 22:30:18 +0100 Message-ID: <87edh2fu39.fsf@dataswamp.org> References: <83pm0n2h5j.fsf@gnu.org> <42480.5172298633$1699275087@news.gmane.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="39886"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:rEdszeYbEva1MlZoz7JqWZMeWVk= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Nov 07 04:21:53 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1r0Cf2-000AAF-1H for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 07 Nov 2023 04:21:52 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r0CeL-0003zX-9c; Mon, 06 Nov 2023 22:21:09 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r07B5-0006D1-C9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Nov 2023 16:30:35 -0500 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r07B3-0000ZH-Ol for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Nov 2023 16:30:35 -0500 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1r07Av-0002SF-7P for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Nov 2023 22:30:25 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Mail-Copies-To: never Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 06 Nov 2023 22:21:08 -0500 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:312280 Archived-At: Björn Bidar wrote: >>> Saying lets just drop these in a sec to all package >>> authors seems overreaching. >> >> Richard's question was about use of cl-lib in the Emacs >> tree, it will not (and cannot) affect third-party packages. > > He also mentioned about ELPA. Even if it's just the Emacs > tree it does seem overreaching unless there's > a direct benefit. On the whole, changing code that works, for that to make sense one must have a distinct improvement in mind, that is almost beyond discussion, otherwise it isn't worth the effort to do it, with everything negative and unexpected that can follow - in my experience. -- underground experts united https://dataswamp.org/~incal