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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 1087ca49dfc7a3f5becf64bd1ab67d19; Sat, 11 Nov 2023 01:33:51 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: (=?utf-8?Q?=22Jo=C3=A3o_T=C3=A1vora=22's?= message of "Fri, 10 Nov 2023 14:23:57 +0000") X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.21896 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Received-SPF: pass client-ip=66.163.187.147; envelope-from=luangruo@yahoo.com; helo=sonic316-21.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:312518 Archived-At: Jo=C3=A3o T=C3=A1vora writes: > That's a clever and interesting perspective actually, but I would > tend to say no. Programming languages are still written and read > by humans. Human brains aren't designed the same way processors > are. For one they aren't "designed" at all. And we don't consume > information the same way a metal likes to, we don't unroll loops, > and at least I don't prefetch all of the supermarket shelf when > someone tells me to get olives, etc, etc. Plus I'm horrible at > parallelism. And we don't speak with reduced instruction sets, > we have many words with nuanced meanings. No, but humans are less still adapted for processing dozens of obliquely-named constructs which wreck havoc on the control and data flow of many a form. Suppose that to retrieve a shopping cart, it were mandatory to connect half a dozen unmarked pulleys and pneumatic tubes to one another in a particular arrangement before depositing your coin in one end of the contrivance, rather than to merely insert the coin in a small receptacle. Would you not be so deterred from availing yourself of the gratis trolley rentals?