From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Michael Albinus Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: with-editor seems like a bug fix Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2024 14:47:07 +0200 Message-ID: <87ed8f531w.fsf@gmx.de> References: <86frsz6i6v.fsf@gnu.org> <87o77miusp.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> <8634oy65mo.fsf@gnu.org> <87msn4nh2p.fsf@gmx.de> <86wmm7j55c.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="18478"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cc: manuel@ledu-giraud.fr, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, jonas@bernoul.li To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Jun 29 14:48:15 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1sNXV0-0004ac-QS for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 29 Jun 2024 14:48:14 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sNXUK-0002Xf-Iw; Sat, 29 Jun 2024 08:47:32 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sNXUI-0002XW-3X for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 29 Jun 2024 08:47:31 -0400 Original-Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.15]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sNXUF-0001NF-Qj; Sat, 29 Jun 2024 08:47:29 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmx.de; s=s31663417; t=1719665228; x=1720270028; i=michael.albinus@gmx.de; bh=00K3+Bgj+rD8xXCAeRc7mwkNBFrbJ9kNhgs9IVSWluU=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date: Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:cc:content-transfer-encoding: content-type:date:from:message-id:mime-version:reply-to:subject: to; b=GeUPDYfy7vb6XqbXU5qiCEwwK6W+g+IjhE59plZ7OcHpa2738pbdakYmMmZn18yT A8esovL9aX1Hschg3rW4fmGNrw44mekyvXdPlxQSmhGuiC/6HuHZJsCf32uc7nRkx yH3KmJTk36abHfp0etoMLu9q6fID6r6goZWeMOo1ZMafAYJw22+ovoD5Dttyf63Ze ZOM13fmF3w0ZU5CfsRxISbVIjKYQpvM2z/h876ArMPSJolbtWfLG8LSkU7EBYqxDZ ozjAaQ15k2mm8QyEe7K97PYTnC3eTdZr73PI33lX5qkqmw4t6BENk4kKnjQXvDup1 9S0dRagH0/B8ZbeylA== X-UI-Sender-Class: 724b4f7f-cbec-4199-ad4e-598c01a50d3a Original-Received: from gandalf.gmx.de ([185.89.38.155]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx004 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MvK4Z-1s6QGr1d8z-00skbo; Sat, 29 Jun 2024 14:47:08 +0200 In-Reply-To: <86wmm7j55c.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 29 Jun 2024 15:38:07 +0300") X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:ctNwGNr4DXazpSNLbT5IsYMTZwydhACdsyCoTl2A/yPUKKYnXx/ z/fiUVcCxLGPGsLF3o33UwpvKcXOfwjVdoXKMFRvhvUdjLuAy5c68DoViQgcadxCQoKO9+f oWMoQvMZO5s7hg+Js4qtjPcbJi/WO3Sy8BiSOB5mjNq03JqXwVjCUqVEv7ZXIysUroEL94d I3RdJrFZvqbK4rb6d/JGw== UI-OutboundReport: notjunk:1;M01:P0:8rirkPvYvhg=;ZD8FDp9s0etYbfecNDsocR437xe ZpT50rTh3/uHo3YRhIQ4Ht2s7oh5BM2U8yT+Yuc+LC69kcvLZ0vxN+K7OqK6EKVtUKuqW13C/ 0KiRnYITetCHi9oy6FfBTMRHoCQrDqWT36V8hrfCwRtODLN+QvRKw82rSwv50wwhVGnBkB0+6 pesbDEo9Yp+HGzyG/kG2JAFKpuEP2rV4v3b8RB6AZ1tHX4dKJnv4MZRlmPAC1Q1uTed8Ufcs0 seZxR7zjLfqCRDackhlnrXDtDBWgFejBz8tvf9Ujctea3MB+gLTohImrcX20BU9TIN4y9iGO3 wIcR+19w7zIEVU72TsQZgDtF5NjMhcp7uOz31qJg2huyD4Of6ZGYyffSkbPwwJInDu6NIfuag PfAAchNI8PXpW4Nixt+5OMd1gK71RF9vYGiMVTi9UWodDXSp0/CkHiHdrgVsljhKpEECXj8ct N9LYFjQnSgfvbckTJikGbik/+nAyJv2kodirrJy4bo7AQuqm4qVip31oFESKdN6QD/QgER+4B MzXRD/hrFPOoCM8v84Dch4PQhLth76XpnudHkO5VAoYMzVV9OBd4PUyRpuqixCKH+VGOLDJ6Z y0SDXaXGtMJ7d+STB4LXhqIXAp4xBVzAxUrTYBcPoLZxtaz2EfTTyihqL+lJRkh5LVPJz9Poq F+5DiVcLB1qfbgNpTAoL7F64h+eZ4XUcmG7rlUx3ooVX444O6G2APyH6Ln5clVDy87YAGJ9rz XXes3D8JuR8L4VOX/Jreqc9StvMknsg+DHGCbR9pMOpJwatgybC88ErGrAAE3I1AJfUIpn+g Received-SPF: pass client-ip=212.227.15.15; envelope-from=michael.albinus@gmx.de; helo=mout.gmx.net X-Spam_score_int: 5 X-Spam_score: 0.5 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam_report: (0.5 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, RCVD_IN_SBL_CSS=3.335, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:320850 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: Hi Eli, > What you say here seems to imply that the remote case cannot be solved > in principle? "in general" might describe it better. >> TL;DR: I don't believe with-editor is just a bug fix. There are reasons >> for the implementation as-it-is. It might profit from using >> emacsclient also for the remote case (when possible), but nobody >> has taken the stab. > > I don't see how we can discuss a package which solves problems we > don't understand. Oh, we understand. When there is no emacsclient on the remote host, we cannot use it. with-editor solves this problems. > Until and unless someone describes the problems which with-editor > solves in enough detail for us to understand what goes wrong and > where, I don't think we can discuss the addition of the package to > core. Yep, there are more use cases to investigate. But there doesn't seem enough pressure (from users) to change the status quo. I believe it is OK to keep with-editor in ELPA. > Thanks. Best regards, Michael.