From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jeremy Bryant Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs website, Lisp, and other Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2024 20:09:30 +0100 Message-ID: <87ed718o45.fsf@jeremybryant.net> References: <87sevj9b50.fsf@jeremybryant.net> <86h6bzqj2v.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="20036"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Aug 06 21:10:21 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1sbPZc-000501-Ua for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 06 Aug 2024 21:10:21 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sbPZ3-0003nJ-3m; Tue, 06 Aug 2024 15:09:45 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sbPYz-0003n6-25 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Aug 2024 15:09:41 -0400 Original-Received: from out-175.mta0.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:1004:224b::af]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sbPYw-0003So-6E for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Aug 2024 15:09:40 -0400 X-Report-Abuse: Please report any abuse attempt to abuse@migadu.com and include these headers. DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=jeremybryant.net; s=key1; t=1722971373; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=s5zslVsv9mhDv7gAPYAEYP8g3UTrLQWvtILkkoA6iKw=; b=bEWrQsaKMJe/sbrkzcnDdwzXKJDmCnt8CFN/TUv45S+EB9gxFrrrtnHaQqJhKb2jleYjoD YTbqKewxGgFs3ctp3ten+LkbP9zK8yl2V9mD5PocFfMFIjTjPYOOKjUp5wlkxt56PIkjsd L2lWrlD1+a9t6frm9kyDtptZX6Rjf5ZXxVlc5/Wig/OUWpRzaGODc1fbZErPGoircLCasW pbzHuEkpgGddjeUujenygF+AexluEavPEeVdxs9ksBBqej5Lc/fLtobmu5NsrA+vEemYBq buWy6Pj/CTKbe+bpb4e1LpJHcG4TflAI9pbuqD0gCHyjr2mXvlTjYWsW5rXa8A== In-Reply-To: <86h6bzqj2v.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 05 Aug 2024 14:56:24 +0300") X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_OUT Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2001:41d0:1004:224b::af; envelope-from=jb@jeremybryant.net; helo=out-175.mta0.migadu.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:322459 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Jeremy Bryant >> Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2024 23:27:39 +0100 >> >> Reviewing the Emacs website, and previous discussions on this list below >> (admittedly not recent, but still relevant). It seems important to add >> some text on Lisp which is not currently there, as per ideas of RMS and >> Eli summarised below. > > Why is this important? It appeared to be an outstanding documentation item to add to the website, using the summary text written from RMS. I personally believe it is important and useful in the context of an introduction to Emacs such as the website. For new users, or indeed new contributors, Emacs Lisp may appear an intriguing choice, and that summary offers a compelling reason for Lisp. >> What do people think? > > I think it's a relatively minor issue, not worth arguing about. But > it looks like we are up for such a discussion anyway... Right, it may not be an issue at all -- up to you -- only a suggestion for documentation improvement. Emacs supports many languages, and on this is getting better thanks to eglot, tree-sitter etc. I thought the thread implicitly related to Emacs Lisp. As the elisp manual says: "The great power of the Lisp language makes it ideal for other purposes as well, such as writing editing commands." I should apologise as my initial thread was in retrospect too short on context. It wasn't meant to start a sort of flamewar, sorry it has caused you to respond to many tangents.