From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: reducing defface redundancy Date: 25 Apr 2002 05:06:26 +0900 Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: <87d6wo7tfh.fsf@tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp> References: <877kn3qczq.fsf@tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp> <871yd9q09b.fsf@tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp> <200204220747.g3M7lo301995@aztec.santafe.edu> <200204230024.g3N0OH702333@aztec.santafe.edu> <200204241754.g3OHsIm03235@aztec.santafe.edu> Reply-To: Miles Bader NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1019678970 2206 127.0.0.1 (24 Apr 2002 20:09:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 20:09:30 +0000 (UTC) Cc: abraham@dina.kvl.dk, emacs-devel@gnu.org Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 170T50-0000ZT-00 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 22:09:30 +0200 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 170T6o-00040Q-00 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 22:11:23 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 170T4m-0003YZ-00; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 16:09:16 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp02.fields.gol.com ([203.216.5.132]) by fencepost.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 170T27-00039U-00; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 16:06:31 -0400 Original-Received: from tc-2-204.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp ([203.216.25.204] helo=tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp) by smtp02.fields.gol.com with esmtp (Magnetic Fields) id 170T24-0001do-00; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 05:06:29 +0900 Original-Received: by tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 37867307E; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 05:06:26 +0900 (JST) Original-To: rms@gnu.org System-Type: i686-pc-linux-gnu In-Reply-To: <200204241754.g3OHsIm03235@aztec.santafe.edu> Original-Lines: 21 X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.9 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:3216 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:3216 Richard Stallman writes: > Anyway, my point is that the new grammar won't make anything worse, and > may provide some additional leeway for improvement. > > Yes it makes something worse. It makes the effect of cutsomizing > the face problematical. At present that is not so. Huh? Customizing a face now _throws away_ information (that is, every thing defined by the defface spec except that for the current display), unless the user selects the more complicated interface. That seems pretty problematical to me... Throwing away this information is bad, I think -- but that's a property of the (current) UI. I'm mystified as to how you think that things would be _worse_. -Miles -- I'm beginning to think that life is just one long Yoko Ono album; no rhyme or reason, just a lot of incoherent shrieks and then it's over. --Ian Wolff