From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alex Schroeder Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [jidanni@deadspam.com: modeline doesn't divulge buffer will go bye bye] Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 00:01:06 +0200 Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: <87d6uge3q5.fsf@emacswiki.org> References: <200206201435.g5KEZLF18772@aztec.santafe.edu> <5xu1nxh6o7.fsf@kfs2.cua.dk> <200206221720.g5MHKLj16237@rum.cs.yale.edu> <877kkrw1pz.fsf@emacswiki.org> <200206231812.g5NICiS24452@aztec.santafe.edu> <87r8ixazu9.fsf@emacswiki.org> <200206241940.g5OJe8v26290@aztec.santafe.edu> <87u1nse5qr.fsf@emacswiki.org> <87bsa09x5r.fsf@tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1024956196 872 127.0.0.1 (24 Jun 2002 22:03:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 22:03:16 +0000 (UTC) Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 17MbvY-0000Dx-00 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 00:03:16 +0200 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 17Mbwt-0006MK-00 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 00:04:39 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 17MbvT-0007KM-00; Mon, 24 Jun 2002 18:03:11 -0400 Original-Received: from relay01.cablecom.net ([62.2.33.101]) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 17MbtH-00076q-00 for ; Mon, 24 Jun 2002 18:00:55 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp.swissonline.ch (mail-4.swissonline.ch [62.2.32.85]) by relay01.cablecom.net (8.11.6/8.11.4/SOL/AWF/MXRELAY/06072001) with ESMTP id g5OM0sV40556 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 00:00:54 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from confusibombus (dclient217-162-235-193.hispeed.ch [217.162.235.193]) by smtp.swissonline.ch (8.11.6/8.11.6/SMTPSOL/AWF/2002040101) with ESMTP id g5OM0su29595 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 00:00:54 +0200 (MEST) Original-Received: from alex by confusibombus with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 17MbtS-0000Dg-00 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 00:01:06 +0200 Original-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Face: ^BC$`[IcggstLPyen&dqF+b2'zyK#r.mU*'Nms}@&4zw%SJ#5!/7SMVjBS7'lb;QK)|IPU5U'o1'522W4TyzB3Ab*IBo^iw]l4|kUbdZuUDO6=Um-.4IzhNiV'B"@K#jy_(wW|Zbk[34flKY^|PrQ?$u2\fKg^]AY>wOX#H32i In-Reply-To: <87bsa09x5r.fsf@tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp> (Miles Bader's message of "25 Jun 2002 06:36:32 +0900") Original-Lines: 29 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090006 (Oort Gnus v0.06) Emacs/21.2.90 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.9 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:5174 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:5174 Miles Bader writes: >> If they see a visible, seemingly non-temporary buffer in the >> buffer list, they may expect that everything they type into it will be >> auto-saved, and it will never be discarded without asking. > > Who's `they'? As you can see, I expect just the opposite. Heh, good point. I guess "they" are the people that want to never loose data; the kind of people who like to think of user-created buffers as "documents" as some word processors do. And "documents" are things to be saved. I also think that the distinction between ephemeral buffers and persisten buffers (ie with files) is pretty hard to grasp -- we currently do not have a good user interface for this. Now adding a confirmation is one way to go about it. Yes, it is annoying, but at least it is safe. A visual indication on the modeline might be better, but I fear people such as the OP who complained about missing auto-save for the buffers he created will not be satisfied. So perhaps we need a new variable that controls this? "buffers are documents" or something like that. :) I vote this be default t, to protect newbies. Alex. -- http://www.electronicintifada.net/diaries/index.html http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/US-Israel/hr2506c.html