From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: MML charset tag regression Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 21:43:55 +0900 Organization: The XEmacs Project Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <87d6j64ws4.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <8465p3kgpl.fsf@lucy.is.informatik.uni-duisburg.de> <84bryuogke.fsf@lucy.is.informatik.uni-duisburg.de> <200304281158.UAA10974@etlken.m17n.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1051534007 17165 80.91.224.249 (28 Apr 2003 12:46:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 12:46:47 +0000 (UTC) Cc: jas@extundo.com Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Mon Apr 28 14:46:41 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19A81p-0004Rv-00 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 14:46:41 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 19A89z-0003jE-00 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 14:55:08 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 19A82G-0005RM-00 for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 08:47:08 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 19A81V-00058l-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 08:46:21 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 19A80Y-0004DP-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 08:45:25 -0400 Original-Received: from tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp ([130.158.98.109]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 19A80G-0003Wg-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 08:45:05 -0400 Original-Received: from steve by tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 19A7z9-0000FS-00; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 21:43:55 +0900 Original-To: Kenichi Handa In-Reply-To: <200304281158.UAA10974@etlken.m17n.org> (Kenichi Handa's message of "Mon, 28 Apr 2003 20:58:34 +0900 (JST)") User-Agent: Gnus/5.090016 (Oort Gnus v0.16) XEmacs/21.5 (cabbage) Original-cc: ding@gnus.org Original-cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:13513 gmane.emacs.gnus.general:51916 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:13513 >>>>> "Kenichi" == Kenichi Handa writes: Kenichi> 'UTF8_STRING has been recently introduced in XFree86, and Kenichi> there are many clients that still doesn't support it. I thought the UTF-8 interfaces of XFree86 were deprecated because they are redundant (extended segments work fine, and XFree86 already uses them even where specifically prohibited by the ICCCM, namely for ISO 8859/15), and I thought the X Consortium opposed it. It was discussed on emacs-devel about a year ago. Has this changed? Kenichi> Perhaps, we should make Emacs to request UTF8_STRING at Kenichi> first if the locale is UTF8, and if that request fails, Kenichi> request COMPOUND_TEXT. Surely this will need to be configurable in Lisp, maybe even controlled by the user. The variety of conventions used by applications is too wide, and the standards hard to interpret. -- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Ask not how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software.