From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Matthew Mundell Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.xemacs.beta Subject: Re: Permission to use portions of the recent GNU Emacs Manual Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 13:31:47 +0000 Message-ID: <87d5xf63ss.fsf@sno.mundell.ukfsn.org> References: <87k6rollef.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1102858335 27883 80.91.229.6 (12 Dec 2004 13:32:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 13:32:15 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Ben Wing , emacs-devel@gnu.org, Richard Stallman , xemacs-beta@xemacs.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Dec 12 14:32:09 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1CdTpZ-00044w-00 for ; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 14:32:09 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CdTzc-0003og-4w for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 08:42:32 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CdTzU-0003o0-Fz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 08:42:24 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CdTzT-0003na-Me for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 08:42:23 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CdTzT-0003nX-Dw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 08:42:23 -0500 Original-Received: from [217.158.120.143] (helo=mail.ukfsn.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CdTpK-0008Sg-AO; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 08:31:54 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost (lucy.ukfsn.org [127.0.0.1]) by mail.ukfsn.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D7EAE6D5C; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 13:30:07 +0000 (GMT) Original-Received: from mail.ukfsn.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (lucy.ukfsn.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28173-03; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 13:30:07 +0000 (GMT) Original-Received: from sno.mundell.ukfsn.org (dsl82-163-181-168.as15444.net [82.163.181.168]) by mail.ukfsn.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9BD8E6D45; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 13:30:06 +0000 (GMT) Original-Received: from sno.mundell.ukfsn.org ([10.0.0.3]) by sno.mundell.ukfsn.org with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1CdTpG-0000iq-00; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 13:31:50 +0000 Original-To: Stefan Monnier User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:31029 gmane.emacs.xemacs.beta:17416 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:31029 Stefan Monnier writes: > But I think that this "freedom" argument is flawed. "Freedom" means > something different to everyone, so it's not a very good way to convince > other people. Especially in the context of the Free Software movement, > I understand "free" to apply to the program itself, not its user: > the program (or the doc) itself is "free", can't be harnessed/hijacked by > anyone. It quite directly implies that people aren't "free" to use it as > they please. That sounds more like the program is being protected than freed.