From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jay Belanger Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Key-binding clash between gnus and calc Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 13:33:05 -0600 Message-ID: <87d5l1hfke.fsf@vh213602.truman.edu> References: <85acg5u9nl.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> Reply-To: belanger@truman.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1132083954 10776 80.91.229.2 (15 Nov 2005 19:45:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 19:45:54 +0000 (UTC) Cc: belanger@truman.edu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Nov 15 20:45:52 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ec6YX-0001sy-7d for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 20:33:26 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ec6YV-0004mN-Q0 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 14:33:23 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ec6YG-0004lI-Uj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 14:33:09 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ec6YF-0004k2-1Z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 14:33:08 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ec6YE-0004jo-Ot for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 14:33:06 -0500 Original-Received: from [150.243.160.94] (helo=uranium.truman.edu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Ec6YE-0002fx-IW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 14:33:06 -0500 Original-Received: from uranium.truman.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id C598914016 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 13:31:56 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from vh213602.truman.edu.truman.edu (vh213602.truman.edu [150.243.64.31]) by uranium.truman.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DEC614115; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 13:31:56 -0600 (CST) Original-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org In-Reply-To: (Miles Bader's message of "Wed, 16 Nov 2005 04:08:44 +0900") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:46042 Archived-At: Miles Bader writes: > 2005/11/16, Sascha Wilde : >> This is about a inconsistency in emacs which should be fixed. calc is >> part of GNU emacs and it uses and documents M-# as a global binding, >> while gnus -- part of gnu emacs, too -- binds it locally. Of cause I >> can use a custom binding for calc as Jay suggested (and in fact, it's >> what I'm doing for now), but I think the TRTTD would be to change >> either binding. Global default bindings in emacs should be global. > > Both bindings are really old, and are quite commonly used; changing > either one may cause more harm (read: piss off more people) than good. > It's hardly a tragedy to have to use "M-x calc" when in a gnus > summary buffer. No; but it is inconvenient if you have to take into account the current mode before knowing which method to use. This can be taken care of by using M-x calc-dispatch all the time, I suppose, but that's not as nice as using M-#, especially when you might be doing a lot of different things with Calc. > However, I think if one _must_ be changed, it should be calc, becuase > calc until now has always been an extra add-on to Emacs, and for that > reason probably used by many fewer people than gnus (which has been a > part of emacs for a long time). Yes. Gnus definitely has precedence for M-#. Are there any conventions for global keybindings? The key bindings conventions section of the elisp manual don't mention any, and doesn't even discuss M-... keys. > Morever, if I recall correctly, historically the M-# binding for > calc has been more of a "suggestion" than anything else (I seem to > remember that the calc installation instructions told the user to > bind it himself). In the 2.02 manual, the installation procedure sets the keybinding. Jay