From: Karl Fogel <kfogel@red-bean.com>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Cc: Hacksaw <hacksaw@hacksaw.org>
Subject: Re: A wish, a plea
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 20:57:43 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87d4zomyiw.fsf@red-bean.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4679F561.4030600@hacksaw.org> (hacksaw@hacksaw.org's message of "Wed\, 20 Jun 2007 23\:49\:53 -0400")
Hacksaw <hacksaw@hacksaw.org> writes:
> So I started writing, and I wrote for quite a while, it was really
> flowing well, and I thought, hey, I should save, because I don't want
> to lose this, but in my reverie, I hit the ^X^C first.
>
> And I was writing in the scratch buffer.
>
> I bet if we took a poll, the number of emacs users who actually use
> the scratch buffer for it's intended usage is very, very low. Most
> either find a file, or open a new one.
>
> But I wasn't in programming mode, so I was in scratch, and lost
> everything I was writing, because scratch isn't backed up by anything.
I agree, this should be changed.
When Emacs is invoked with no file arguments, there's no point the
default buffer be a Lisp interaction buffer. After all, most users
don't know what to do in such a buffer -- and those who *do* know are
much more likely to know how to customize Emacs to start with a Lisp
Interaction buffer anyway, if they really to!
Meanwhile, a "*scratch*" buffer that were set to trigger a
save-to-file query (if modified) on exit would prevent data-loss
events like the one Hacksaw describes.
It seems like an obvious win; am I missing something?
Two points:
- I tested with latest "emacs -q" to see if stuff I typed in
*scratch* would get saved in tmpfile (~/#*scratch*# or
something), but as far as I can tell, my text was simply lost on
exit.
- It's true that "*scratch*" today opens with this message in it:
;; This buffer is for notes you don't want to save, and for
;; Lisp evaluation. If you want to create a file, visit that
;; file with C-x C-f, then enter the text in that file's own
;; buffer.
But users don't read stuff, we all know that (heck, I'm a user
who's also a programmer, and I still don't read stuff). I think
of that notice as a workaround to a real solution: offering to
save what the user has typed.
-Karl
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-06-22 3:57 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 118+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-06-21 3:49 A wish, a plea Hacksaw
2007-06-21 18:50 ` Davis Herring
2007-06-21 18:57 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-21 19:12 ` Davis Herring
2007-06-22 16:24 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-21 18:55 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-06-22 3:59 ` Karl Fogel
2007-06-21 19:07 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-06-21 19:17 ` Nic James Ferrier
2007-06-21 21:53 ` Frank Schmitt
2007-06-22 0:36 ` Taylor Venable
2007-06-21 19:43 ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-06-22 3:57 ` Karl Fogel [this message]
2007-06-21 20:56 ` Jason Rumney
2007-06-22 6:27 ` Karl Fogel
2007-06-21 21:36 ` Nic James Ferrier
2007-06-22 16:24 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-22 17:27 ` Karl Fogel
2007-06-22 21:53 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-21 21:19 ` Sascha Wilde
2007-06-21 21:26 ` Nic James Ferrier
2007-06-22 6:36 ` Karl Fogel
2007-06-21 22:08 ` Jason Rumney
2007-06-21 23:04 ` Drew Adams
2007-06-22 6:51 ` csant
2007-06-22 16:24 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-22 17:12 ` Drew Adams
2007-06-22 21:53 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-25 20:47 ` Juri Linkov
2007-06-25 21:05 ` David Kastrup
2007-06-25 21:30 ` Drew Adams
2007-06-25 21:30 ` Drew Adams
2007-06-22 8:03 ` Sascha Wilde
2007-06-22 8:11 ` David Kastrup
2007-06-22 8:21 ` Nic James Ferrier
2007-06-22 8:33 ` Karl Fogel
2007-06-22 12:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-06-22 12:43 ` David Kastrup
2007-06-22 12:51 ` Jason Rumney
2007-06-22 13:08 ` David Kastrup
2007-06-22 13:16 ` David Kastrup
2007-06-22 12:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-06-22 18:46 ` Glenn Morris
2007-06-22 19:50 ` Karl Fogel
2007-06-22 19:58 ` Glenn Morris
2007-06-22 20:22 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-06-22 10:23 ` Initial splash screen (was Re: A wish, a plea) Stephen Berman
2007-06-22 11:43 ` Initial splash screen David Kastrup
2007-06-22 14:19 ` Stephen Berman
2007-06-22 20:09 ` David Kastrup
2007-06-22 23:07 ` Stephen Berman
2007-06-22 21:53 ` Initial splash screen (was Re: A wish, a plea) Richard Stallman
2007-06-22 22:11 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-06-23 13:19 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-23 14:57 ` Initial splash screen David Kastrup
2007-06-22 22:46 ` Initial splash screen (was Re: A wish, a plea) Stephen Berman
2007-06-23 6:42 ` Initial splash screen David Kastrup
2007-06-23 10:43 ` Stephen Berman
2007-06-23 18:27 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-23 19:05 ` David Kastrup
2007-06-25 13:19 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-25 13:34 ` Mathias Dahl
2007-06-25 13:38 ` David Kastrup
2007-06-22 18:51 ` A wish, a plea Richard Stallman
2007-06-22 20:05 ` David Kastrup
2007-06-23 13:19 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-23 14:45 ` David Kastrup
2007-06-23 19:39 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-24 14:41 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-22 19:02 ` Ryan Yeske
2007-06-28 1:04 ` Davis Herring
2007-06-22 16:24 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-22 16:36 ` Jason Rumney
2007-06-22 21:53 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-23 6:21 ` David Kastrup
2007-06-23 18:27 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-23 18:58 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2007-06-23 19:07 ` David Kastrup
2007-06-24 14:41 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-23 19:47 ` Hacksaw
2007-06-24 15:13 ` Sascha Wilde
2007-06-24 17:18 ` Hacksaw
2007-06-24 23:46 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-25 8:07 ` Sascha Wilde
2007-06-21 23:18 ` Andreas Schwab
2007-06-22 7:57 ` Sascha Wilde
2007-06-22 8:01 ` Karl Fogel
2007-06-22 8:16 ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-06-22 8:32 ` David Kastrup
2007-06-22 9:06 ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-06-22 9:20 ` David Kastrup
2007-06-22 9:55 ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-06-22 8:01 ` Kim F. Storm
2007-06-22 8:15 ` Jason Rumney
2007-06-22 8:19 ` Nick Roberts
2007-06-22 11:58 ` David House
2007-06-22 8:20 ` Nic James Ferrier
2007-06-22 13:19 ` Drew Adams
2007-06-22 13:33 ` Nic James Ferrier
2007-06-22 14:23 ` Kim F. Storm
2007-06-22 14:34 ` Nic James Ferrier
2007-06-22 15:10 ` David House
2007-06-22 15:31 ` Drew Adams
2007-06-23 23:48 ` Johan Bockgård
2007-06-24 0:06 ` Drew Adams
2007-06-24 0:15 ` David Kastrup
2007-06-24 1:17 ` Drew Adams
2007-06-24 10:15 ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-06-24 14:05 ` Drew Adams
2007-06-24 14:22 ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-06-24 14:28 ` David Kastrup
2007-06-25 20:47 ` Juri Linkov
2007-06-25 21:28 ` Drew Adams
2007-06-22 8:41 ` Glyn Millington
2007-06-22 11:54 ` Nic James Ferrier
2007-06-22 12:33 ` Glyn Millington
2007-06-22 9:03 ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-06-22 14:02 ` Denis Bueno
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