From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Paul R Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Usability suggestion : completion for M-: Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 22:42:36 +0200 Message-ID: <87d4oy7oar.fsf@gmail.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1207773781 5759 80.91.229.12 (9 Apr 2008 20:43:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 20:43:01 +0000 (UTC) To: "emacs- devel" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Apr 09 22:43:34 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Jjh8n-0004mm-SI for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 09 Apr 2008 22:43:34 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Jjh8A-0002dm-CF for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 09 Apr 2008 16:42:54 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Jjh86-0002dN-8C for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Apr 2008 16:42:50 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Jjh84-0002cf-Ei for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Apr 2008 16:42:49 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Jjh84-0002cc-CT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Apr 2008 16:42:48 -0400 Original-Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.157]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Jjh83-00062d-VE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Apr 2008 16:42:48 -0400 Original-Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id d23so3853690fga.30 for ; Wed, 09 Apr 2008 13:42:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:to:subject:references:from:date:in-reply-to:message-id:user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=xPcf0Xk17Yv09BUerqVhcDMtFUbg8FBEifuYOBYmnJc=; b=BeN+DkrZInRML+CN7Pwppt/vZOh2hrSf0tLSqFWhT6ygDFTqkNpaOfEEOBytFXYOfduSMXkrQvCSHAL+xwogzaDKav5XL6M8ZbUqDzy4FUz6kO1HWx+sbzsx+qF3zW/SUfYkC5g3z7OKLEfKNagiR+iRtyM6r/qIyEUgCW31Mvs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=to:subject:references:from:date:in-reply-to:message-id:user-agent:mime-version:content-type; b=EVf+2/fWQbPwZbTF6b3B50jKyHc73QfyYz8QAvVuL/5oknI+KrIio0OzVRdABvTgMDs6Y61r1S23yCm+EKf1zwhH0wA/y1/R7nVZcGC5zc7QewG9eLwrKpMAFKBivheUzqUVdMzhAD9jTKaeb40/R2DUqRFl5J2wLX3OEvHV7ig= Original-Received: by 10.86.89.1 with SMTP id m1mr1205760fgb.66.1207773760468; Wed, 09 Apr 2008 13:42:40 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from ubuT42 ( [82.242.132.111]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e20sm730527fga.1.2008.04.09.13.42.37 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 09 Apr 2008 13:42:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: (paul r.'s message of "Thu\, 13 Mar 2008 18\:30\:12 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.1 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:94809 Archived-At: "paul r" writes: > Hello, > > Emacs seems to have a consistent behaviour regarding TAB and > completion, i.e : Almost everywhere, TAB triggers completion when : > - indentation does not make sens > - tabulation char is unlikely to make sens > > For exemple, TAB triggers completion in find-file. I think TAB should > be bound to lisp-complete-symbol in M-x eval-expression, aka M-: . > > Hope everybody agree and this will be widely considered as a simple > yet positive change. > > Paul This thread ended whithout consensus, leading to statu quo :) If I can try to sum-up positions : * Drew believe that the whole M-: should evolve to something more like a interactive scratch in the context of current buffer, and that if TAB does not complete in scratch, it should not complete in M-: * Some other people believe TAB should complete in M-:, because M-: happens in minibuffer, and other prompts in minibuffer are usually completed by TAB * In any case : everybody agree inserting a tabulation caracter does not make sens, because 1) it not the behaviour in *scratch*; 2) it is not the behaviour in minibuffer prompts; 3) it is almost useless in this case. I do not think we should let this default binding in its current state, because it is confusing. Even if there is no absolute consensus in this thread, I think this default should be changed. -- Paul