From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@xemacs.org>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: cyd@stupidchicken.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, eliz@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Terminology in multi-tty primitives
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:33:37 +0900 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87d4f8spzy.fsf@xemacs.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwvhc4ksvww.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>
Stefan Monnier writes:
> We all agree. What you're describing is a command: the "consistent
> behavior" is user-level behavior, not Lisp-level behavior.
> So we do have the suspend-frame command for that purpose.
>
> But we're here talking about whether such a *function* would make
> sense and how.
Huh? On systems where stopping a process makes sense, `suspend-emacs'
does so. On other systems, it starts a subshell.
Attaching "suspend emacs" semantics to a (Lisp-level) "withdraw frame"
function will cause nothing but trouble, and I'm very surprised that
this amount of discussion could be generated on such a premise.
As far as I can see, Lisp (in general) has no need-to-know about the
implementation of frames or terminals. That's entirely the province
of redisplay and (because of the human penchant for imprecision) UI.
The API I sketched has the bare minimum of implementation knowledge:
enough to distinguish ambiguities in interpretation of terminal names.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-12-31 8:33 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-12-27 18:23 Terminology in multi-tty primitives Eli Zaretskii
2008-12-28 1:00 ` Chong Yidong
2008-12-28 4:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-12-28 4:28 ` Chong Yidong
2008-12-28 19:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-12-28 19:43 ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-12-29 5:31 ` Chong Yidong
2008-12-29 19:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-12-29 22:09 ` Richard M Stallman
2008-12-30 2:18 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-12-30 22:26 ` Richard M Stallman
2008-12-31 2:06 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-31 2:20 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-12-31 3:20 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-31 4:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-12-31 6:25 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-31 18:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-12-31 21:39 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-12-31 21:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-12-31 21:55 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-12-31 22:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-12-31 23:03 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-12-31 16:38 ` Richard M Stallman
2008-12-31 17:22 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-31 19:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-01-01 17:13 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-01-02 13:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-01-03 2:32 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-01-03 9:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-01-04 3:14 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-01-04 3:29 ` Chetan Pandya
2009-01-04 3:41 ` Jason Rumney
2009-01-04 4:54 ` Chetan Pandya
2008-12-30 22:27 ` Richard M Stallman
2008-12-31 5:31 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-12-31 6:28 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-31 8:33 ` Stephen J. Turnbull [this message]
2008-12-31 14:18 ` Chong Yidong
2008-12-31 15:42 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-12-28 17:29 ` Richard M Stallman
2008-12-28 19:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-12-30 19:53 ` Stefan Monnier
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2008-12-27 18:16 Eli Zaretskii
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