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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:116389 Archived-At: "Stephen J. Turnbull" writes: > Drew Adams writes: > > > print and read are no good for objects whose print form is not > > readable by the reader. That's the general problem (lack) in this > > regard. > > Some objects (frames, for example) *cannot* have a readable print form > because they refer to objects that Emacs in principle cannot print > (GUI windows, in the case of frames). For objects that can but don't, > the right thing to do is to file a bug against `print' and `read', not > request that an obscure hack be sanctified. I never request an obscure hack to be sanctified. I just show a feature of an emacs lisp function that is part of emacs and referenced in emacs manual. We don't speak here about frames etc... We speak of saving data (e.g hash-tables, list etc...) And notice that an obscure hack can become a feature if people are more positive. > Cf. the recent creation of a read'able print representation for hash > tables. > > > > -- A + Thierry Volpiatto Location: Saint-Cyr-Sur-Mer - France