From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Flipping url-show-status default Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2010 09:54:11 -0500 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <87d3rsk5m4.fsf@lifelogs.com> References: <87fwwpkchk.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87sk0phicy.fsf@lifelogs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1286031291 19849 80.91.229.12 (2 Oct 2010 14:54:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 14:54:51 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Oct 02 16:54:50 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1P23U6-0008P5-Jh for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 02 Oct 2010 16:54:46 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54286 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1P23U5-0002rq-UX for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 02 Oct 2010 10:54:46 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=37678 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1P23Tu-0002q7-TD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Oct 2010 10:54:35 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1P23Tt-00060Z-5m for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Oct 2010 10:54:34 -0400 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:43131) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1P23Ts-00060J-Vn for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Oct 2010 10:54:33 -0400 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1P23Tn-0008Cz-OU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Oct 2010 16:54:27 +0200 Original-Received: from c-24-14-16-248.hsd1.il.comcast.net ([24.14.16.248]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 02 Oct 2010 16:54:27 +0200 Original-Received: from tzz by c-24-14-16-248.hsd1.il.comcast.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 02 Oct 2010 16:54:27 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 24 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: c-24-14-16-248.hsd1.il.comcast.net X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:c3v8LcCYiAfipDJFJLKH40flQwk= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:131243 Archived-At: On Sat, 02 Oct 2010 03:34:36 -0400 James Cloos wrote: >>>>>> "TZ" == Ted Zlatanov writes: TZ> Why not show something if the connection is hung, which is the TZ> exceptional case? % completed, byte count, and MIME type are TZ> completely useless information in the vast majority of the use TZ> cases. JC> Most browsers show that info, especially % completed. IME that is JC> a good and useful thing. If you're loading a large file, yes (in the download manager, not in the main window). But the vast majority of use cases for HTTP are tiny files and a progress bar for each one would be pointless. Google Chrome, for instance, tells you it's loading the page, but not each element within it. There is no progress bar. Mozilla Firefox shows a tiny unobstrusive inaccurate progress bar for the whole page in the lower left corner. My proposal was to show the URL download progress in an unobstrusive way, not to hide it altogether. Ted