From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: bidi-display-reordering is now non-nil by default Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2011 19:26:18 +0200 Organization: Organization?!? Message-ID: <87d3geijid.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> References: <877h6y7chn.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <831ux6cv5o.fsf@gnu.org> <87d3gpku3o.fsf@gnus.org> <834o1ypa2b.fsf@gnu.org> <87aabnn3mz.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <83mxfnwwyd.fsf@gnu.org> <87ipqbzogt.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <83liv7wqhe.fsf@gnu.org> <87liv75xsh.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <83k4arvx05.fsf@gnu.org> <87bow116je.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <83wrepyq3r.fsf@gnu.org> <87sjpar2l2.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <83aabizh94.fsf@gnu.org> <87hb5qim2n.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <838vr2zeza.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1312910814 6042 80.91.229.12 (9 Aug 2011 17:26:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 17:26:54 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Aug 09 19:26:51 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qqq4o-0006WM-AW for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 09 Aug 2011 19:26:50 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33778 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qqq4n-0003j7-SA for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 09 Aug 2011 13:26:49 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:37439) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qqq4i-0003iz-5f for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 09 Aug 2011 13:26:47 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qqq4e-0005IU-7J for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 09 Aug 2011 13:26:44 -0400 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:37564) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qqq4d-0005DV-QK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 09 Aug 2011 13:26:40 -0400 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qqq4a-0006Qh-TC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 09 Aug 2011 19:26:36 +0200 Original-Received: from p508ede6c.dip.t-dialin.net ([80.142.222.108]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 09 Aug 2011 19:26:36 +0200 Original-Received: from dak by p508ede6c.dip.t-dialin.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 09 Aug 2011 19:26:36 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 28 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: p508ede6c.dip.t-dialin.net X-Face: 2FEFf>]>q>2iw=B6, xrUubRI>pR&Ml9=ao@P@i)L:\urd*t9M~y1^:+Y]'C0~{mAl`oQuAl \!3KEIp?*w`|bL5qr,H)LFO6Q=qx~iH4DN; i"; /yuIsqbLLCh/!U#X[S~(5eZ41to5f%E@'ELIi$t^ Vc\LWP@J5p^rst0+('>Er0=^1{]M9!p?&:\z]|;&=NP3AhB!B_bi^]Pfkw User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:iHrBNxQSOPBekN8sBTcHYDPwsLQ= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 80.91.229.12 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:143067 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: David Kastrup >> Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2011 18:30:56 +0200 >> >> Emacs should not become unpredictable in an ASCII-only environment >> with ASCII-only data sources. Let alone in a latin-1 environment. > > Dealing with email has long ago stopped being an ASCII-only or > Latin-1-only environment. What about "ASCII-only data sources" did you not understand? We are not talking about the situation when a data source (like a mail) happens to actually be bidi. When I am replying to an ASCII-only mail, I don't want to have Unicode direction marks pasted into its subject line or wherever else. When I cut and paste from a summary buffer of an English-only mailing list without any foreign-language spam or senders, I don't want Unicode direction marks in the result. I have mm-coding-system-priorities set to (iso-8859-1 iso-8859-15 utf-8) and I don't want it to switch without good reason to a coding system that will unnecessarily limit my audience to multibyte-capable readers. This list would actually start with ascii, except that I don't know any system that would display pure ASCII articles any worse when they are declared as iso-8859-1. -- David Kastrup