From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Engster Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: A unified project root interface Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 20:09:32 +0100 Message-ID: <87d2uvtdeb.fsf@engster.org> References: <20130309174419.6e1cadb4@forcix.kollektiv-hamburg.de> <87hakh2299.fsf@fimbulvetr.bsc.es> <513FBA1C.5040100@siege-engine.com> <87vc8vyy66.fsf@engster.org> <5143C11D.8070705@siege-engine.com> <87sj3vv35h.fsf@engster.org> <20130316160203.6b889aba@forcix.kollektiv-hamburg.de> <87ehffuf1g.fsf@engster.org> <20130317001630.125e1987@forcix.kollektiv-hamburg.de> <87y5dmsz5u.fsf@engster.org> <20130317191817.764a44f5@forcix.kollektiv-hamburg.de> <87ppywtj9s.fsf@engster.org> <87li9juabi.fsf@engster.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1363720193 8025 80.91.229.3 (19 Mar 2013 19:09:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 19:09:53 +0000 (UTC) Cc: "Eric M. Ludlam" , emacs-devel@gnu.org, Jorgen Schaefer , John Yates To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Mar 19 20:10:13 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UI1vI-0001MT-NT for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 20:10:12 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42501 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UI1uv-0001gt-Bi for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 15:09:49 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:44754) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UI1um-0001fx-TT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 15:09:46 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UI1uk-0001p1-68 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 15:09:40 -0400 Original-Received: from randomsample.de ([83.169.19.17]:59885) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UI1uj-0001ob-QP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 15:09:38 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=randomsample.de; s=a; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From; bh=XH+kI+ZKur1X/6N6CDPYLPlmelPhEaewfKqIUcI8NFM=; b=ANur7HFK10+u3BPBxRmGUZ61u3mEdBKEL5fol+r71/rakHfrmBSWkAllypEptaLrb6sJrJcvftOj0c0cL8Q2TTKHW89Sc1YDay7LlZgGzX1wxZYoBOXCaQ/C39KIR0V8; Original-Received: from dslc-082-082-160-179.pools.arcor-ip.net ([82.82.160.179] helo=spaten) by randomsample.de with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UI1uf-0006qy-QT; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 20:09:33 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Tue, 19 Mar 2013 09:06:04 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.130006 (Ma Gnus v0.6) Emacs/24.2.93 (gnu/linux) Mail-Followup-To: Stefan Monnier , John Yates , emacs-devel@gnu.org, Jorgen Schaefer , "Eric M. Ludlam" X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 83.169.19.17 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:157964 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: >>> I took the sense of the OP to be that the concept of a project-root >>> deserved to become part of the core set of emacs concepts unrelated to >>> optional packages e.g. much as file and directory local variables. >>> Once the concept gets pulled into the core extension author simply >>> assume existence of project-root functionality without needing to have >>> to enable in any particular way. >> OK, if this is something which should be available with emacs -Q right >> at startup, then EDE is out. It indeed is too big for that. > > It should be possible to write the code such that the project-root part > of EDE doesn't require loading too much code. Yes, but no matter how small, EDE depends on EIEIO, so this would mean that EIEIO is loaded right at startup. I thought this would be considered a showstopper, even when we clean up its namespace use. -David