From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: phillip.lord@newcastle.ac.uk (Phillip Lord) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs contributions, C and Lisp Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 16:59:15 +0000 Message-ID: <87d2ijavj0.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> References: <52FD9F1D.50205@yandex.ru> <83mwhucg1h.fsf@gnu.org> <878ute589i.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83d2iqc84m.fsf@gnu.org> <87wqgxkcr9.fsf@yandex.ru> <834n41db0d.fsf@gnu.org> <52FE2985.4070703@yandex.ru> <831tz5daes.fsf@gnu.org> <8738jlohd6.fsf@yandex.ru> <83txc1bl83.fsf@gnu.org> <5300189A.9090208@yandex.ru> <83wqgv9fbj.fsf@gnu.org> <20140216180712.236069f6@forcix.jorgenschaefer.de> <83sirj9cyp.fsf@gnu.org> <20140217203145.71a849f7@forcix.jorgenschaefer.de> <837g8t8ouc.fsf@gnu.org> <87mwho68qu.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> <83k3cs7898.fsf@gnu.org> <8761ocsai9.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1392829190 3954 80.91.229.3 (19 Feb 2014 16:59:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 16:59:50 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: David Kastrup Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Feb 19 17:59:58 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WGAV2-00083V-S7 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 19 Feb 2014 17:59:56 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60525 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WGAV2-0002BL-KN for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 19 Feb 2014 11:59:56 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:51990) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WGAUv-0002Av-FR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Feb 2014 11:59:54 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WGAUq-0005kw-NE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Feb 2014 11:59:49 -0500 Original-Received: from cheviot22.ncl.ac.uk ([128.240.234.22]:39489) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WGAUq-0005j8-GX; Wed, 19 Feb 2014 11:59:44 -0500 Original-Received: from smtpauth-vm.ncl.ac.uk ([10.8.233.129]) by cheviot22.ncl.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1WGAUp-0000KR-Dt; Wed, 19 Feb 2014 16:59:43 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost (jangai.ncl.ac.uk [10.66.67.223]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtpauth-vm.ncl.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id s1JGxg4C015729 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Wed, 19 Feb 2014 16:59:42 GMT In-Reply-To: <8761ocsai9.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (David Kastrup's message of "Tue, 18 Feb 2014 16:31:26 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 128.240.234.22 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:169763 Archived-At: David Kastrup writes: >>> Incidentally, I say "change" and not "patch". Submitting a change these >>> days generally means "clone, branch, pull request". >> >> Sorry, I don't understand the subtlety. > > I think it's a paraphrase of "real developers use GitHub", a service > running on proprietary software and having a variety of commercial > offerings, including a rather popular "take it or leave it" zero > pricetag offering. No, it really wasn't. Github is useful but also problematic for the reasons that you give. Even aside from the ethical issues, the zero pricetag option could disappear anytime. But pull requests are not a feature of github only. They are just a workflow and an easy to use one. I'm not a real developer anyway. Check out my code, I'm sure you'd agree. Phil