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From: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>
To: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
Cc: Stefan <monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [Emacs-diffs] trunk r116461: Connect electric-indent-mode up with CC Mode. Bug #15478.
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 03:37:15 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87d2hb9hys.fsf@yandex.ru> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140324224055.GB3825@acm.acm> (Alan Mackenzie's message of "Mon, 24 Mar 2014 22:40:55 +0000")

Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> writes:

>> > A mode-dependent or buffer-local dependent setting, as well as, rather
>> > than instead of.
>
>> We have that: electric-indent-local-mode and electric-indent-inhibit.
>
> OK, for electric-indent-local-mode, which is gradually becoming
> prominent.  But I though electric-indent-inhibit was a variable for major
> modes, not users - a mode initialisation thing, rather than a user
> configuration variable.

This is usually the case with buffer-local dependent settings. They're
impossible to set via Customize (I think), so one doesn't usually think
of them as user options, but a user can modify such var in a hook, too.

>  b - Simplify `electric-indent-post-self-insert-function' such that it
>    reindents only the line on which the self-inserting character is
>    typed.

It would still need to handle presence of ?\n in `electric-indent-chars'
when that's the case.  This value is somewhat special since the
line-to-be reindented would be the previous, not the current one.

> 2. For making RET indent the new line in programming modes:
>   a - Bind RET to `newline-and-indent' and C-j to `newline' in
>     `prog-mode-map' and possibly in certain other major mode maps (to be
>     discussed).

I believe there's something to be said for consistency: having RET
indent line in some modes, but not others doesn't make much sense to me.

There's a certain class of users who've been binding RET to
`newline-and-indent' for a long time (myself included), and I haven't
seen anyone mention only doing that in prog-mode, instead of globally.

>   b - (Maybe) create a minor mode to restore RET and C-j to traditional
>     bindings.

How hard can it be for a user to change the key bindings without a mode?

>> So make this bug report specific about a particular circumstance where
>> the behavior is undesirable, or about how hard it is to disable it.
>
> I think RMS's bug #16156, reproduced and being discussed on a parallel
> thread, is a good enough example, so there's not much point in me opening
> a new one.

This behavior, as described in the bug above, makes sense to me, so it's
clearly a personal preference.



  reply	other threads:[~2014-03-25  1:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <E1WFSpO-0001e7-Gm@vcs.savannah.gnu.org>
2014-02-18  0:11 ` [Emacs-diffs] trunk r116461: Connect electric-indent-mode up with CC Mode. Bug #15478 Stefan Monnier
2014-02-22 18:27   ` Alan Mackenzie
2014-02-25  3:24     ` Stefan Monnier
2014-02-28 19:50       ` Alan Mackenzie
2014-03-01 15:57         ` Stefan Monnier
2014-03-02 11:51           ` Alan Mackenzie
2014-03-04  3:48             ` Stefan Monnier
2014-03-08 22:58               ` Alan Mackenzie
2014-03-09  1:57                 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-03-09 12:37                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2014-03-10  3:37                     ` Stefan Monnier
2014-03-10  6:59                       ` Glenn Morris
2014-03-10 12:24                       ` João Távora
2014-03-10 18:30                         ` Stefan Monnier
2014-03-16 22:35                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2014-03-17 15:48                         ` Stefan
2014-03-19 22:42                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2014-03-20  1:46                             ` Stefan
2014-03-20  8:35                               ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2014-03-21  8:24                                 ` João Távora
2014-03-22 13:13                               ` Alan Mackenzie
2014-03-22 16:14                                 ` Stefan
2014-03-22 20:19                                   ` David Caldwell
2014-03-22 22:05                                     ` David Kastrup
2014-03-22 22:32                                       ` David Caldwell
2014-03-24  1:13                                     ` Stefan
2014-03-22 22:34                                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2014-03-24  1:37                                     ` Stefan
2014-03-24 22:40                                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2014-03-25  1:37                                         ` Dmitry Gutov [this message]
2014-03-26 20:53                                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2014-03-27  8:02                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-03-30 14:57                                               ` Alan Mackenzie
2014-03-31 17:11                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-04-03 21:53                                                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2014-03-25  1:54                                         ` Stefan
2014-03-26 21:21                                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2014-03-27 14:49                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2014-03-30 11:37                                               ` Alan Mackenzie
2014-03-30 16:46                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-03-22 23:10                                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2014-03-24  1:39                                     ` Stefan
2014-03-24  6:59                                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-03-24  9:08                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-03-24 17:19                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-03-24 17:29                                             ` David Kastrup
2014-03-24 17:39                                               ` David Kastrup
2014-03-24 17:38                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-03-24 17:52                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-03-25  1:53                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-03-25  3:49                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-03-24 18:32                                           ` Stefan
2014-03-25  1:49                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-03-25  7:44                                             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-03-25  8:08                                               ` Steinar Bang
2014-03-25 16:49                                                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-03-25 17:08                                                   ` Steinar Bang
2014-03-25 17:31                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-03-25 19:28                                                       ` Steinar Bang
2014-03-25 19:49                                                         ` David Kastrup
2014-03-25 19:54                                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-03-25 13:26                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2014-03-27  7:51                                                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-03-24 21:12                                         ` Alan Mackenzie

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