From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: phillip.lord@newcastle.ac.uk (Phillip Lord) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: On being web-friendly and why info must die Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 21:22:36 +0100 Message-ID: <87d27fo0dv.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> References: <20141205123549.GA29331@thyrsus.com> <2815659.zRQ0WWWeRr@descartes> <20141205175810.GD3120@thyrsus.com> <87wq66ufyt.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87zjb04tlw.fsf@gmx.us> <87bnnfve9c.fsf@dod.no> <871to5kt1a.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> <87y4q8yi4j.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> <871tnywkjt.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1419021972 20429 80.91.229.3 (19 Dec 2014 20:46:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 20:46:12 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, sb@dod.no, Richard Stallman , kyle.c.andrews@gmail.com To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Dec 19 21:46:04 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Y24R0-00044W-3m for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 21:46:02 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60491 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y24Qz-0006Nx-E6 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 15:46:01 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:33283) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y24Q5-00059A-I8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 15:45:11 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y24Pz-0000Fh-M9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 15:45:05 -0500 Original-Received: from cheviot12.ncl.ac.uk ([128.240.234.12]:42657) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y24Pt-0000BV-0t; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 15:44:53 -0500 Original-Received: from smtpauth-vm.ncl.ac.uk ([10.8.233.129] helo=smtpauth.ncl.ac.uk) by cheviot12.ncl.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Y24Ps-0007ND-AG; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 20:44:52 +0000 Original-Received: from [151.65.203.145] (helo=localhost) by smtpauth.ncl.ac.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Y24Pq-00050Y-2k; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 20:44:50 +0000 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Thu, 18 Dec 2014 09:14:27 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 128.240.234.12 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:180348 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: >> However, the second part of each line (the text like "Fundamentals of >> defined abbrevs") can't be found anywhere else. > > Here, rather than suggest to analyze the existing cases, I'll just point > out that pretty much the rest of the world lives happily without being > able to use two different texts, so I'm not sure it's worth the trouble. Or alternatively, I would ask, iff the extra text is worth seeing in a menu item point to a page, why it is also not worth seeing in the page itself. Menu: Abbrevs Concepts: Fundamentals of defined abbrevs Should open to a page Fundamentals of defined abbrevs (Abbrevs Concepts). I might even go further and just drop the Node node which is perhaps a form of explicit navigation that we are infliciting of the user. Why not have a visualisation that looks like: Menu: - The Fundamentals of defined Abbrevs And points to a node The fundamentals of defined abbrevs. "Abbrev Concepts" gets relegated to the role of the anchor text, just used for linking the two together. Visible to the developer only. Phil